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Old 01-06-2013   #16
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Gruden > Holmgren
1. Brandon Magee will beat out Ernie Sims for the backup WILL/MO roster spot.

2. Ron Leary will start at right guard over Bernadeau.

3. Joseph Randle, Terrance Williams and Gavin Escobar will have more combined TD's than DeMarco Murray, Miles Austin and Jason Witten.

4. Bruce Carter makes the Pro Bowl.

5. The starting OL will be Smith-Livings-Frederick-Leary-Free
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Old 01-06-2013   #17
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Gruden > Holmgren
Elaborate?
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I'm not saying Holmgren would be the ideal choice. Maybe he would, maybe it'd be better to keep Garrett - I honestly don't know. But I don't think his accomplishments should be dismissed; think of the two teams he led to the Super Bowl.

Green Bay has been a consistent playoff contender for so long than I think people look back at what Holmgren did and take it for granted. They forget how moribund the franchise was before him, and for how long that'd been the case. He led them to two Super Bowl appearances, and one win.

And the Seahawks...? Think about it. He took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl. Which they may have won if not for some very poor officiating. And he did it with Matt Hasselback at QB.

The man can coach, and teach, and call a good ballgame. I don't doubt that at all.

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Holmgren would be a lame duck coach who would have no vested interest in the team's long term success. Would probably only stay 2 or 3 years. I smell a guy who wants to come here for one big fat payday before he retires.

No thanks.
Anything longer than about 5 years in today's NFL is an anomaly, so 2-3 years is about par...no problem with that as long as the results are good. As an aside, we're probably only 3 or 4 years from blowing up this team in large part and replacing a few key components anyway...win now. The only reason a team rebuilds is to win sooner rather than later...this 'long term' stuff is BS.
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Not a chance in hell do I hire him
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It would be a shorter tenure than Parcell's. Holmgren would not last two years. Mike would be a good consultant though.


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Elaborate?
Youth and more desire to coach longer. Holmgren would be a 2-3 year retread IMO
1. Brandon Magee will beat out Ernie Sims for the backup WILL/MO roster spot.

2. Ron Leary will start at right guard over Bernadeau.

3. Joseph Randle, Terrance Williams and Gavin Escobar will have more combined TD's than DeMarco Murray, Miles Austin and Jason Witten.

4. Bruce Carter makes the Pro Bowl.

5. The starting OL will be Smith-Livings-Frederick-Leary-Free
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Jerry is waiting till Tuesday to see if Brian Kelly wants to coach in the NFL. He is another Jimmy Johnson type coach.
That would be something wouldn't it....

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cing-holmgren/

This article talks about Reid being hired and then goes into Lamonte now focusing on Holmgren.
Uh, nice sig.
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Youth and more desire to coach longer. Holmgren would be a 2-3 year retread IMO
Ah...ok. You were saying that Gruden would be a better fit for the Cowboys.

Got you.

I thought you were of the opinion that Gruden was a better coach period...which I would disagree with.
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Red's worst aspect is his horrible OC skills. So....NO!
I agree, but when he was solely an OC he was a damn good one. He clearly never took the playcaling and headcoaching class in Princeton, and it shows that it's too much for him to handle. Give him one or the other and bring in someone to fill the vacancy
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Mike Holmgren would be an instant upgrade at HC and OC.

Don't think it's going to happen, though.
What did Holmgren or Ryan do for Cleveland?
You've got to have faith!
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What did Holmgren or Ryan do for Cleveland?
Holmgren didn't coach the Browns. So I agree let's not hire him as President, let's get him as a coach.
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I think part of why he would do it is there is still a lot of "prestige" with being the Dallas Cowboys Head Football Coach, even though that has been tarnished with some of the coaches we have had lately.

But I think that is part of it, to add to his legacy or tombstone whatever, that he coached the Cowboys, and the paycheck.

I think even though he coached the Packers who are similar.
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Holmgren didn't coach the Browns. So I agree let's not hire him as President, let's get him as a coach.
What did Bill B. in New England do in Cleveland? And last I checked we were talking about Mike Holmgren the HC not Mike Holmgren the GM.
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