Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

If a father goes to prison for murder, or 'child molestation', .. his wife, his children, his mother and father, his brothers, .. every member of his family is affected negatively, directly or indirectly to differing degrees.

Such is the case with Penn St.

p.s. in your attempt to defend PSU, your analogies and examples are lame in this situation, .. you need to find a better way to make your case.

Wow! Talk about lame analogies.

Holy crap!

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

So punishing other athletes that didn't take money because an athlete takes a car for himself from a booster is justifiable, but not a school that has people connected to the school using it's football program and name to molest kids isn't, because other athletes in Penn State have nothing to do with the crimes of Sandusky and other officials that actually direct the state of the school?

One is an NCAA violation that provides his teammates an advantage. The other does not.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Wow! Talk about lame analogies.

Holy crap!

It's a perfect analogy.

In your mind, you have narrowed the Penn St. debacle down to three people, .. and yet many others have suffered as a result of their crimes.

My example shows that many suffer from the criminal acts of one.

I'm sorry you can't understand it.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

It's a perfect analogy.

In your mind, you have narrowed the Penn St. debacle down to three people, .. and yet many others have suffered as a result of their crimes.

My example shows that many suffer from the criminal acts of one.

I'm sorry you can't understand it.

Well hell then. Let's not stop with the whole university. How about the entire state of PA pay for it. How about every person in PA serve at least one day in jail. And while we are at it, how about taking just a bit more tax money from them to serve as punishment. Heck, why stop at PA? How about everyone on the east coast? I mean if the people who perpetrated the act isn't enough to be punished then punishing all of these other people REALLY ought to prove we hate child molesters.

You analogy is completely and utterly absurd and I am sorry you can't understand that.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Well hell then. Let's not stop with the whole university. How about the entire state of PA pay for it. How about every person in PA serve at least one day in jail. And while we are at it, how about taking just a bit more tax money from them to serve as punishment. Heck, why stop at PA? How about everyone on the east coast? I mean if the people who perpetrated the act isn't enough to be punished then punishing all of these other people REALLY ought to prove we hate child molesters.

Exaggerated foolishness.

You analogy is completely and utterly absurd and I am sorry you can't understand that.

My analogy is simple and accurate. If you can't see how one man's crime impacts not only himself, but his whole family, .. then I can now understand why you are so upset that Penn St. got what they got.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

Exaggerated foolishness.



My analogy is simple and accurate. If you can't see how one man's crime impacts not only himself, but his whole family, .. then I can now understand why you are so upset that Penn St. got what they got.

Ummm, no, I can see how someone's actions impact their family. But this is an institution. Not a family.
You are comparing apples and oranges. And it makes no sense whatsoever. It's a desperate analogy to condone something that on the face is simply wrong and at it's core is egregious at best.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

A player taking gifts/payment is aiding his teammates in a way, hence the competitive advantage, the prime mission of the NCAA. For example, would Newton have gone to Auburn if someone didn't pay his father? Would Auburn have won a title without Newton? An ineligible athlete participating definitely "aids" his teammates so sanctions are meant to maintain a competitive balance.

Prime mission isn't an issue of dispute... A corporation's prime mission is to maximize profits. That doesn't absolve it of it's moral responsibility to turn over a child molestor that happen to be in a position of power within that organization, when coming to know of criminal activity, because that doesn't fall within the gambit of it's 'corporate goals'.

The reality is, Sandusky used the program for his crimes and the university did nothing.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

One is an NCAA violation that provides his teammates an advantage. The other does not.

Well, your the one talking about justice in this conversation.. I'm sorry, but your rationalizations seem to be pathetic, because the punishment for the NCAA 'violation' is a lot more 'unjust' than what is being handed down to school for child molestation.

If you got a problem with the punishment on moral grounds, that innocent people are being punished for a crime they didn't committ, while justifying punishing schools because four athletes took cash from boosters, then what really is there to say about your loyalty to Penn state.. At least the culture can be praised for teaching their followers blind allegiance...

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Prime mission isn't an issue of dispute... A corporation's prime mission is to maximize profits. That doesn't absolve it of it's moral responsibility to turn over a child molestor that happen to be in a position of power within that organization, when coming to know of criminal activity, because that doesn't fall within the gambit of it's 'corporate goals'.

The reality is, Sandusky used the program for his crimes and the university did nothing.

So you want the NCAA to make moral judgments? That's simply insanity.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

It's a desperate analogy to condone something that on the face is simply wrong and at it's core is egregious at best.

All of the investigators, all of the investigations, found whatever they found and came to the conclusions that they did, dealt out the punishments that they did, .. and Penn St. never said a word, but just accepted it all.

You need to let that all sink in a bit.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

So you want the NCAA to make moral judgments? That's simply insanity.

One can only imagine the state of the world when an organization deems foul child molestation and the support of it as foul and worthy of punishment, it is seen by the general populace as insanity...

Also, I guess cheating and fair play isn't a moral issue? In fact, one can only imagine under what basis the NCAA rules were originally written if not from a moral basis...

Just because the NCAA has become hypocrites does not mean all their actions are wrong.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

Well, your the one talking about justice in this conversation.. I'm sorry, but your rationalizations seem to be pathetic, because the punishment for the NCAA 'violation' is a lot more 'unjust' than what is being handed down to school for child molestation.

If you got a problem with the punishment on moral grounds, that innocent people are being punished for a crime they didn't committ, while justifying punishing schools because four athletes took cash from boosters, then what really is there to say about your loyalty to Penn state.. At least the culture can be praised for teaching their followers blind allegiance...

I see you are unable to draw a distinction between an NCAA violation and a crime. So I will just allow you to ramble on without trying to argue with someone who doesn't have the basic understanding of this situation.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

One can only imagine the state of the world when an organization deems foul child molestation and the support of it as foul and worthy of punishment, it is seen by the general populace as insanity...

Also, I guess cheating and fair play isn't a moral issue? In fact, one can only imagine under what basis the NCAA rules were originally written if not from a moral basis...

Just because the NCAA has become hypocrites does not mean all their actions are wrong.

You seem to missing the point. Do you understand the role of the NCAA or have you read their by-laws?

The NCAA as much right sanctioning Penn State's football team for a criminal matter as the NAACP does of stripping Alabama of their MNC for racism of past coaches.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

All of the investigators, all of the investigations, found whatever they found and came to the conclusions that they did, dealt out the punishments that they did, .. and Penn St. never said a word, but just accepted it all.

You need to let that all sink in a bit.

Well, the Grand Jury didn't find all those things. As a matter of fact the main fall gay at Penn State (outside of the real criminals) was Paterno who THEY said didn't do anything wrong. Yet, he also was fired. Stripped of his wins and forced to live the last few months of his life wondering what the hell happened. And all without die process.

And you need to let the whole situation sink in. The entire score of the lemmings wanted to make their "I hate child molesters just as much as you" statement so they had enormous amounts of public pressure put on the board of trustees while it was in a state of flux and made a rash decision.

And that is why the NCAA is being sued because they levied punishment outside of their rules and guidelines just to satisfy the blood lust of the public who LOVES to see something great torn down. Just as you and others in this thread are displaying without even considering the facts.

Let THAT sink in.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

One can only imagine the state of the world when an organization deems foul child molestation and the support of it as foul and worthy of punishment, it is seen by the general populace as insanity...

Also, I guess cheating and fair play isn't a moral issue? In fact, one can only imagine under what basis the NCAA rules were originally written if not from a moral basis...

Just because the NCAA has become hypocrites does not mean all their actions are wrong.

Can you point to anybody in this thread who has supported child molestation? Because if you can point out the post. I for one would love to know who that is.
Thanks in advance.