New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

[a_minimalist]

If you found out what they put in some of these flu shots you'd be slightly hesitant and have some questions. We've been getting the flu for a very long time and we're okay. Let's cure cancer and the things with a high mortality rate. Then worry about the flu.

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by CashMan

Don't forget about them hiding aliens at Area 51 too.

dude, i'm just posting some i saw today that was relevant to this conversation. you wanna "get cute" holler.

i promise i can handle that well.

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by iceberg

dude, i'm just posting some i saw today that was relevant to this conversation. you wanna "get cute" holler.

i promise i can handle that well.

Well dude, you seem to post a lot of anti-government things in the off topic forum, and it gets annoying.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by CashMan

Well dude, you seem to post a lot of anti-government things in the off topic forum, and it gets annoying.

Bull.

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by CashMan

Well dude, you seem to post a lot of anti-government things in the off topic forum, and it gets annoying.

no one posts any government / political stuff in here in a long long time.

got a new ID, do ya?

if the mods feel my post was political, they can delete it. i just found it pertinent to the discussion and didn't think it would cause an issue.

you wanna go, hit me in a PM and keep this off the forums.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by CashMan

Well dude, you seem to post a lot of anti-government things in the off topic forum, and it gets annoying.

I guess it does to someone who would rather be a serf then a free person.

Some people have a problem with letting politicians run their lives

[iceberg]

FYI - i went back 15 pages and nope. nothing about the government.

anti-kardashian, anti-x-factor, helped with video questions, technical issues, and the like.

but nothing about anti-government.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by CashMan

The shot is suppose to help your immune system, not block the virus from entering your body.

Oh so your saying I really missed out on something by not getting it done for myself and my son?

He is 12 and has never had it. I never had it when I was young nor had any major problems growing up w/o it.


So yeah...uhhhh no thanks.

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Oh so your saying I really missed out on something by not getting it done for myself and my son?

He is 12 and has never had it. I never had it when I was young nor had any major problems growing up w/o it.


So yeah...uhhhh no thanks.

I think you are under the impression, the flu shot is sold as a 100% guarantee thing. The flu shot, is meant for old people and young people, whose immune systems are under developed or deteriorating. So, a 12yr old, I wouldn't be soo concerned about.

[Rackat]

This is from the UK. If this is happening in England, what makes us think it is not happening in the US?

30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards To Sell More Vaccines And Harm Your Kids
Posted on March 14,
2012 by
ChildHealthSafety


An extraordinary new paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections.


http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...ccine-hazards/

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Its offensive as a parent seeing someone w/o children try and relate for a second on this topic.

Hoof, nothing personal, but you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You have no children nor bond to even try to understand where a parent is coming from when they say you will not vaccinate my child. You will not stick my child w/ things I do not support.

There should be nothing offensive about it.

Why would I need to have an understanding of the parent-child bond when the vast majority of reasons that people cite for refusing the flu shot are irrational, something I do have an understanding of? I won't necessarily include the concern over an egg allergy in that because such concerns were reflected in the guidelines. That said, if recent data suggest that egg allergy concerns were blown out of proportion and the possible risk of an allergic reaction is low I would anticipate that people would have their concerns minimized and no longer refuse vaccination for that reason alone. When you get a vaccination, the store has EpiPens on hand to handle allergic reactions. If that's not reassuring enough, their primary care provider could administer it in a more supervised setting.

I don't suppose the birth of your child changed your view on the flu shot, why would mine be expected to change?

I understand the value of vaccines on the individual and societal level. Having a child isn't going to change that.

But even if we want to play the "I know what's best for my kid" game, you have to acknowledge that other parents do as well. If all the other parents are taking steps to avoid the spread of influenza because they deem it to be best, you're basically saying you don't care what they think is best because you presenting the possibility of exposure. You're willing to take the trade off that your child might spread the virus to the youngest children who are at the highest risk all because "you know best"? Pretty selfish and irresponsible when you start thinking outside of your own box and what consequences could arise based on your decisions.

My son has never had a flu shot in his life, nor I. We are never sick nor never get sick. We might get a cold, but probably far less than most.

So please, don't sit here and tell us how the flu shot is some savior, when it has never been proven, but has been proven to have complications.

Thanks

Ummm, the flu shot isn't meant to eradicate influenza. The nature of the bug makes it so. It mutates into different variations that cannot be predicted so the vaccine is only aimed at the variants that are determined to be "most likely". They use these "most likely" variants to create the vaccine. If a new variant were to arise, how could expect it to be covered?

Getting a flu shot doesn't guarantee that you won't get infected by another strain. It's quite possible someone who refuses vaccination be infected by a strain that would have been covered and they infect others who then infect more people, and so on and so forth, until finally a new strain that is not covered arises and infects vaccinated individuals.

The flu shot does reduce the spread of the flu. While there has been some questions about the actual reduction, even the low estimates are significant enough to result in more benefits than harm.

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

There should be nothing offensive about it.

Why would I need to have an understanding of the parent-child bond when the vast majority of reasons that people cite for refusing the flu shot are irrational, something I do have an understanding of? I won't necessarily include the concern over an egg allergy in that because such concerns were reflected in the guidelines. That said, if recent data suggest that egg allergy concerns were blown out of proportion and the possible risk of an allergic reaction is low I would anticipate that people would have their concerns minimized and no longer refuse vaccination for that reason alone. When you get a vaccination, the store has EpiPens on hand to handle allergic reactions. If that's not reassuring enough, their primary care provider could administer it in a more supervised setting.

I don't suppose the birth of your child changed your view on the flu shot, why would mine be expected to change?

[View Full Quote]I understand the value of vaccines on the individual and societal level. Having a child isn't going to change that.

But even if we want to play the "I know what's best for my kid" game, you have to acknowledge that other parents do as well. If all the other parents are taking steps to avoid the spread of influenza because they deem it to be best, you're basically saying you don't care what they think is best because you presenting the possibility of exposure. You're willing to take the trade off that your child might spread the virus to the youngest children who are at the highest risk all because "you know best"? Pretty selfish and irresponsible when you start thinking outside of your own box and what consequences could arise based on your decisions.



Ummm, the flu shot isn't meant to eradicate influenza. The nature of the bug makes it so. It mutates into different variations that cannot be predicted so the vaccine is only aimed at the variants that are determined to be "most likely". They use these "most likely" variants to create the vaccine. If a new variant were to arise, how could expect it to be covered?

Getting a flu shot doesn't guarantee that you won't get infected by another strain. It's quite possible someone who refuses vaccination be infected by a strain that would have been covered and they infect others who then infect more people, and so on and so forth, until finally a new strain that is not covered arises and infects vaccinated individuals.

The flu shot does reduce the spread of the flu. While there has been some questions about the actual reduction, even the low estimates are significant enough to result in more benefits than harm.

Makes too much sense, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

There should be nothing offensive about it.

Why would I need to have an understanding of the parent-child bond when the vast majority of reasons that people cite for refusing the flu shot are irrational, something I do have an understanding of?

Let me put it this way.

You don't have a right to have an input on how we raise our children.

Got it?

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Let me put it this way.

You don't have a right to have an input on how we raise our children.

Got it?

Even if he has the "for the common good" label stickied to it.

I am more upset that family rights are being more and more trod upon in this nutso country of ours lately. That's more my point actually.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Even if he has the "for the common good" label stickied to it.

I am more upset that family rights are being more and more trod upon in this nutso country of ours lately. That's more my point actually.

Especially if that tag is is stuck to it because the "government" generally doesn't do what is best for the people anyway.