Would you trade Romo for the #1 pick? - Page 15 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

So once you have the #1 overall pick do you have a player targeted with the pick or do you plan on trading down for more picks? If you plan on trading down what players do you have targeted? You can't just trade for the pick without having a solid plan on what player or players to take.

I have a strategy targeted, which I have explained earlier in this thread but yes, if I had to take a player with the 1st pick, which I seriously doubt would be the case, yes.

However, since I am not the organization, it is not incumbent upon me to have a player or players picked. That's the teams responsibility. I have to guess that you are just screwing around here yeah? You seriously can not be asking me in a serious manner if I have players picked right? Surely, you know that the Cowboys have a board and will have players evaluated right?

respectdatstar · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I have a strategy targeted, which I have explained earlier in this thread but yes, if I had to take a player with the 1st pick, which I seriously doubt would be the case, yes.

However, since I am not the organization, it is not incumbent upon me to have a player or players picked. That's the teams responsibility. I have to guess that you are just screwing around here yeah? You seriously can not be asking me in a serious manner if I have players picked right? Surely, you know that the Cowboys have a board and will have players evaluated right?

I don't think he was screwing around. I thought this was hypothetical as if we were "the organization". Which would make you responsible to decide how to use the pick once acquired or move forward with Romo. Right?

MWILL · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I heard this question from Bill Barnwell Grantland's lead football writer. He thinks the Chiefs should do this, but should the Cowboys?

I can see the rationale on the Cowboys' side. Clear out the aging but good or great players for draft picks and future cap room (Romo, Ware perhaps Spencer or Miles). Get rid of the bad contracts (Free, Ratliff) play a year with Orton. Find a young qb.

Retool around Dez, Lee, Smith, Carter Murray, Claiborne, Carr.

Yes I would & I wouldn't draft a QB (I would get one later in draft) I'd get the best player available & try to trade for Alex Smith. Finally, I'd get Norv as my OC (Smith played well with Norv).

ufcrules1 · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Trading Romo plus our #1 is a none starter. Trading Romo for the #1 is a no brainer.

This. I don't know where people got the whole trade Romo + our #1 pick. The question I remember is "Would you trade Romo to the Chiefs for their #1 pick? The answer to me is yes, while he still has value to an organization who hasn't had a decent QB in many years and is desperate. Then I would use that pick and our 1st round pick as well as our next 2 picks to fortify our trenches and possibly add a safety.

Then roll with Orton for 1 year and look for a QB in the 2014 draft. Romo isn't going to last forever and what good is he here if he can't be trusted in big games? He literally gave away the Redskins game by himself.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by respectdatstar

I don't think he was screwing around. I thought this was hypothetical as if we were "the organization". Which would make you responsible to decide how to use the pick once acquired or move forward with Romo. Right?

If that's the case, then yes. I obviously have players who I think are fits for our organization but the reality is that we would have to wait till after the Combine before we could realistically finalize any player evaluations or rank players at all.

However, if we traded the pick, my intention would be to trade down and acquire more picks with an eye towards securing an additional 1st round pick in the 2014 draft. I would anticipate that this upcoming year, we would have to play with Orton or whomever we might go out and sign. I would use this draft to fix both lines. I would probably franchise Spencer, would sign quality help at NT and would fix our Safety situation. Without Romo at QB, you would have to think that our 2014 draft pick would be a very good one.

By 2014, I would make my best play to draft Clowney and trade Spencer. With the Cap I saved, I would go out and sign a good FA QB and would draft a future QB. That would allow us to extend Ware's career and bring in his replacement.

Our cap situation would be much improved, we would be in a position to sign quality FAs for several years out. We would be strong on both sides of the line and ready to compete for a Championship for years to come.

We would not be cap strapped, stalling the inevitable and waiting for age and cap to slowly kill us. It would not leave us in a position where we would have to rebuild everywhere in two or three seasons. It would not force us to try and sign an FA QB who we would have to pay too much for and basically kill ourselves before we ever had a chance to compete for a championship again.

That is what I would do if I had the chance to trade Romo for the number 1 pick.

respectdatstar · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

If that's the case, then yes. I obviously have players who I think are fits for our organization but the reality is that we would have to wait till after the Combine before we could realistically finalize any player evaluations or rank players at all.

However, if we traded the pick, my intention would be to trade down and acquire more picks with an eye towards securing an additional 1st round pick in the 2014 draft. I would anticipate that this upcoming year, we would have to play with Orton or whomever we might go out and sign. I would use this draft to fix both lines. I would probably franchise Spencer, would sign quality help at NT and would fix our Safety situation. Without Romo at QB, you would have to think that our 2014 draft pick would be a very good one.

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In your scenario, did we have to surrender our own 1st or was it simply Romo for #1 overall?

KJJ · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I have a strategy targeted, which I have explained earlier in this thread but yes, if I had to take a player with the 1st pick, which I seriously doubt would be the case, yes.

However, since I am not the organization, it is not incumbent upon me to have a player or players picked. That's the teams responsibility. I have to guess that you are just screwing around here yeah? You seriously can not be asking me in a serious manner if I have players picked right? Surely, you know that the Cowboys have a board and will have players evaluated right?

I'm not screwing around I'm asking serious questions the ones screwing around are the fans who can't provide any logical answers. If it's a no brainer as you put it to trade Romo for the #1 overall pick then you should have a player or players in mind at that pick that would make moving on from your franchise QB worth the risk. I'm putting the GM cap on you seeing you would make the trade. It's apparent you and several others just want to trade Romo for the #1 overall pick and allow the team to figure out what to do with it. It's obvious none of you have even studied the draft to see if it would be worth having the #1 overall pick this year. If a 2-14 team like KC is willing to trade out of the #1 overall spot that's a clear indication it's not a spot worth being in this year.

If a 2-14 team is willing to trade the #1 overall pick for Romo then maybe he's worth a lot more to the Cowboys than some of you think he is. If trading down from the #1 overall spot and acquiring draft picks would be the smart move then don't you think KC would do that? You trade Romo you leave a huge hole at QB that you may not be able to fill for years. Next season the Cowboys would have no chance of competing against Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and some of the other QB's they'll be facing. Kyle Orton would have no shot of winning a shootout against those QB's.

You simply can't move on from Romo until you have a very capable QB that gives you a chance to compete every Sunday. Not one player you add to the team will make that big a difference if you don't have a franchise QB who can move your offense. KC is a 2-14 team according to Charley Casserly because they don't have a QB who can play. He claimed they'll be a playoff team with a QB that can play that's how critical having a solid QB is. The Cowboys could very well be where KC is next season without Romo. The plan for some is just to go with Orton for a year as a stopgap as if the Cowboys will have their pick of franchise QB's after next season.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by respectdatstar

In your scenario, did we have to surrender our own 1st or was it simply Romo for #1 overall?

I would not trade Romo and our #1. I would trade Romo for the #1. If you trade Romo and the #1, you are probably only gaining a couple of 2nd round value picks for a Top 5 or 10 QB. That's not a good deal.

KJJ · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by MWILL

Yes I would & I wouldn't draft a QB (I would get one later in draft) I'd get the best player available & try to trade for Alex Smith.

Yeah let's replace Romo with Alex Smith and give up a draft pick to do it.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

I'm not screwing around I'm asking serious questions the ones screwing around are the fans who can't provide any logical answers. If it's a no brainer as you put it to trade Romo for the #1 overall pick then you should have a player or players in mind at that pick that would make moving on from your franchise QB worth the risk. I'm putting the GM cap on you seeing you would make the trade. It's apparent you and several others just want to trade Romo for the #1 overall pick and allow the team to figure out what to do with it. It's obvious none of you have even studied the draft to see if it would be worth having the #1 overall pick this year. If a 2-14 team like KC is willing to trade out of the #1 overall spot that's a clear indication it's not a spot worth being in this year.

I would be happy to discuss player options with you but you will agree that it is not yet time to do this correct? The combine has not taken place. You can not evaluate players until that process is completed.

What you elect to deem "Apparent" is baseless. I have asked you this multiple times and you have elected not to answer so far as I can tell. What happens if Romo decides not to restructure and he simply plays out his contact? What then?

If KC decided to trade their #1 pick in exchange for a proven QB, it would not mean the draft is weak or that it would not be worth having the top pick. It would mean that KC did not like it's chances of getting a QB that could lead them to a playoff or championship in the near future. Those are two very different things but by all means, you go ahead and tell us what you think you know about the draft.

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If a 2-14 team is willing to trade the #1 overall pick for Romo then maybe he's worth a lot more to the Cowboys than some of you think he is. If trading down from the #1 overall spot and acquiring draft picks would be the smart move then don't you think KC would do that? You trade Romo you leave a huge hole at QB that you may not be able to fill for years. Next season the Cowboys would have no chance of competing against Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and some of the other QB's they'll be facing. Kyle Orton would have no shot of winning a shootout against those QB's.

No, I don't think KC would do that because KC has good talent on both sides of he ball but they don't have a QB. They need a QB that is ready to play now. They don't need more young players who will sit behind good young players and go to FA in a few years before ever seeing the field.

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You simply can't move on from Romo until you have a very capable QB that gives you a chance to compete every Sunday. Not one player you add to the team will make that big a difference if you don't have a franchise QB who can move your offense. KC is a 2-14 team according to Charley Casserly because they don't have a QB who can play. He claimed they'll be a playoff team with a QB that can play that's how critical having a solid QB is. The Cowboys could very well be where KC is next season without Romo. The plan for some is just to go with Orton for a year as a stopgap as if the Cowboys will have their pick of franchise QB's after next season.

I ask you again, what happens if Romo decides to play out his contract and wait to see what his options are in 2014? If that happens, do you think we can win a bidding War? How sure are you that we can? If we don't, where are we with QB then and what is your plan to get us a "franchise QB" then?

KJJ · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

However, if we traded the pick, my intention would be to trade down and acquire more picks with an eye towards securing an additional 1st round pick in the 2014 draft.

The only way of securing a 1st round pick in 2014 is if there's a QB in this draft a team covets enough to give up their #1 next year to move up for. From everything I've read this isn't a very strong QB class.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

The only way of securing a 1st round pick in 2014 is if there's a QB in this draft a team covets enough to give up their #1 next year to move up for. From everything I've read this isn't a very strong QB class.

That's not true. Teams need lots of different things. Teams covet LTs and CBs and WRs and 34 rush LBs and game changing 3 tech DTs. If the right team sees the right player and it's the piece of the puzzle they are looking for, they will trade for it.

KJJ · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

That's not true. Teams need lots of different things. Teams covet LTs and CBs and WRs and 34 rush LBs and game changing 3 tech DTs. If the right team sees the right player and it's the piece of the puzzle they are looking for, they will trade for it.

Name some teams that have traded their next years #1 during the draft to move up for a position other than QB? Not saying it hasn't happened but it would be an extremely rare move.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

Name some teams that have traded their next years #1 during the draft to move up for a position other than QB? Not saying it hasn't happened but it would be an extremely rare move.

You can not be serious.

Good Lord, Seattle traded a #1 for Dion Branch. New Orleans gave Washington the 12th over all, 2nd, 4th, 5th 6th in the 1999 draft and the 1st and 3rd round picks in the 2000 draft for Ricky Williams. The Vikings gave up their 1st, 2nd and 6th in 1990. They gave up their 1st, 2nd and 6th in 91 and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 92 plus like 4 players for Hershel Walker. Dallas traded a 1st in 2000 and 2001 for Joey Galloway.

This is just a few of many, many trades. I did this to prove to you that it's not all that uncommon but next time, do a little research instead of employing this BS tactic.

respectdatstar · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

You can not be serious.

Good Lord, Seattle traded a #1 for Dion Branch. New Orleans gave Washington the 12th over all, 2nd, 4th, 5th 6th in the 1999 draft and the 1st and 3rd round picks in the 2000 draft for Ricky Williams. The Vikings gave up their 1st, 2nd and 6th in 1990. They gave up their 1st, 2nd and 6th in 91 and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 92 plus like 4 players for Hershel Walker. Dallas traded a 1st in 2000 and 2001 for Joey Galloway.

This is just a few of many, many trades. I did this to prove to you that it's not all that uncommon but next time, do a little research instead of employing this BS tactic.

Not to mention the trade we made with Detroit for Roy Williams. Oops. I mentioned it.