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dadymat · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by MissouriCowboy

I think a lot of folks overlook it is Reds idea to be the head coach and the oc. This is one of the biggest downfalls of the Cowboys this year. If Red would delegate that job to a oc he Dallas would of been a 10 win team.

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Originally Posted by Hostile

“Well, the process is really what you have to do day in and day out to be successful,” Saban told reporters. “We try to define the standard that we want everybody to sort of work toward, adhere to, and do it on a consistent basis. And the things that I talked about before, being responsible for your own self-determination, having a positive attitude, having great work ethic, having discipline to be able to execute on a consistent basis, whatever it is you’re trying to do, those are the things that we try to focus on, and we don’t try to focus as much on the outcomes as we do on being all that you can be.

“Eliminate the clutter and all the things that are going on outside and focus on the things that you can control with how you sort of go about and take care of your business. That’s something that’s ongoing, and it can never change.”

you should have just put Garretts name there and watched everyone rip him for saying it

visionary · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

It's not that it's hate-worthy, it's that it doesn't mean anything. Every coach wants to get better every day. The key is if you can get your team to actually do it. Because saying the same thing as Nick Saban doesn't make you Nick Saban.

yet another "POST OF THE DAY"

boy, this thread is littered with them

just saying "process", or having a process or wanting to have a process are not enough

you have to:

have a process that works
implement said process
get others to follow the process
show tangible results that the process is working with improved OBJECTIVE outcomes

this is where Garrett's "process" breaks down

**ABQCOWBOY** · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by TheFinisher

17 years as a HC and produced a winner in 14 of them.

Excellent track record working with QBs. Helped develop the careers of Steve Young, Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck.

But he only produced 1 10 Game winning season in his last 9 seasons as HC in Seattle.

Hostile · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by dadymat

you should have just put Garretts name there and watched everyone rip him for saying it

LOL

Would have been funny. The glad handing is already amusing enough though.

trueblue1687 · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

It's not that it's hate-worthy, it's that it doesn't mean anything. Every coach wants to get better every day. The key is if you can get your team to actually do it. Because saying the same thing as Nick Saban doesn't make you Nick Saban.

Pretty much it. The issue isn't about the process - an inherent fact with any coach - it's the amount of time it takes to take that process to fruition and produce results. Education is a process, but a useless one if it takes you a lifetime to reach the pinnacle of your goal. Not bashing the Garrett fans, but he's judged on the results within a time frame. That timeframe is decided by the guy signing the checks and influenced by a variety of factors. Not that he needs it, but sage advice would be to worry less about explaining what you are doing and produce. Good coaches find a way. If he (Garrett) really is what his following says he is, then he'll show real results next season or pack it in. Saying he has results because players follow his orders is complete BS - if they don't follow the coach in the first place, shine a light on them and cut em loose....real results = winning...either a winning season (certainly not a lofty goal I would hope) or some meaningful time in the playoffs. Time will tell. One side or the other will eat a little crow after next season, because I don't think Garrett's credit is gonna last any longer without some results.

WV Cowboy · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by visionary

just saying "process", or having a process or wanting to have a process are not enough

you have to:

have a process that works
implement said process
get others to follow the process
show tangible results that the process is working with improved OBJECTIVE outcomes

They call it a process for a reason. It does not happen overnight, .. it does not always happen as quickly as everyone would like.

When I say it is a process to get from point A to point B, .. you have to look at where point A was.

Point A was a terrible place for a team to be. We had just gone 1-7, team had quit on old head coach. Roster was full of garbage people and lazy players.

I now see a lot of young talent, I see a better type of people. I see a better attitude. We show up and compete in every game.

I'm not saying I am happy at 8-8, or seeing mistakes and penalties, or bad decisions, because I'm not, .. but towards the end of the season when we won 5 of 6, I saw the beginning of something. I hope it is the result of Garrett's process.

I would like to see something good happen for this team for them to get a big push to start the season. Success breeds success.

I don't make predictions, but if we can have some success early next season, I would really be curious to see our momentum get rolling and see how we respond.

I want to win NOW as much as anyone, but this is not the time to bring in another new head coach. I do hope they work out something to free Jason up from being HC and OC though.

Hostile · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

They call it a process for a reason. It does not happen overnight, .. it does not always happen as quickly as everyone would like.

When I say it is a process to get from point A to point B, .. you have to look at where point A was.

Point A was a terrible place for a team to be. We had just gone 1-7, team had quit on old head coach. Roster was full of garbage people and lazy players.

I now see a lot of young talent, I see a better type of people. I see a better attitude. We show up and compete in every game.

I'm not saying I am happy at 8-8, or seeing mistakes and penalties, or bad decisions, because I'm not, .. but towards the end of the season when we won 5 of 6, I saw the beginning of something. I hope it is the result of Garrett's process.

I would like to see something good happen for this team for them to get a big push to start the season. Success breeds success.

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I told you they wouldn't get it.

Aven8 · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

They call it a process for a reason. It does not happen overnight, .. it does not always happen as quickly as everyone would like.

When I say it is a process to get from point A to point B, .. you have to look at where point A was.

Point A was a terrible place for a team to be. We had just gone 1-7, team had quit on old head coach. Roster was full of garbage people and lazy players.

I now see a lot of young talent, I see a better type of people. I see a better attitude. We show up and compete in every game.

I'm not saying I am happy at 8-8, or seeing mistakes and penalties, or bad decisions, because I'm not, .. but towards the end of the season when we won 5 of 6, I saw the beginning of something. I hope it is the result of Garrett's process.

I would like to see something good happen for this team for them to get a big push to start the season. Success breeds success.

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I get it. I really do. What I don't get is why we keep getting worse in penalties and this was our worst rushing year in Cowboy history. JG has set a new record every year since he's been coach (not the good kind). I also don't get in this process why he won't give up playcalling. If he does you and I know that is totally against what he really wants.

Hostile · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Aven8

I get it. I really do. What I don't get is why we keep getting worse in penalties and this was our worst rushing year in Cowboy history. JG has set a new record every year since he's been coach (not the good kind). I also don't get in this process why he won't give up playcalling. If he does you and I know that is totally against what he really wants.

The best answer to this is someone else's post somewhere else. I'll ask him for permission to post it here.

Shinywalrus · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

If you are trying to improve from point A to point B, you have to have a process.

Improve yourself, improve your team, improve your marriage, improve your vocabulary, ... none happen over night.

The way you approach practice, the way you approach games, the level of intensity in practice, your attention to detail, .. you try to improve from point A to point B every day, every practice.

But it is a process. If you are not willing to address the process every day, you will not improve.

People may not like everything about JG, but him stressing a process to get this team from point A to point B should not be one of them.

I think the problem in this debate is that too many supporters of Garrett create a straw man whereby they assert that anyone who's annoyed by the Garrett "process" discussions must be some short-sighted idiot who doesn't realize that improving a football team takes time. That might be true in some cases, but in large part, I think most people realize that developing talent and an identity as a football team takes time.

What I personally - and I think many other fans - take issue with is that we have a process without progress. We are told that we need to become more disciplined, and we descend even further into the depths of stupid penalties indicative of poor discipline. We are told that we will emphasize having the right kinds of men on the team and in the same year bury a man killed by a teammate in a felony.

If you're making fun of the process because you don't believe that getting better can take time, then you ARE an idiot. But if you're criticizing the believability of a process that hasn't made enough progress, you're making a fair and legitimate point. There just isn't enough evidence to support the idea that Jason is doing what he said he will do.

gimmesix · 01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Are you negative about every aspect of this team? I've never considered that of you.

I appreciate that. I try to be fair and objective in my evaluation of what's right and wrong with the team.

A lot of people around here like to cliff jump, but I've never found any value in that. That's the reason I can't say Garrett won't eventually become a successful coach in Dallas. I don't know that he will complete "the process," but I also can't say he won't. I won't dismiss Garrett outright because of that, but because I don't know where and how far he can take us, I'd give a proven winner like Holmgren a chance to run the team while the opportunity is there.