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01-08-2013
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#16
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Originally Posted by TheFinisher
Yes that's true, but again, why would Arizona let him walk?
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Because the new head coach would want a new defensive coordinator. If that's the case, then Horton would be released from his contract.
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do ... to achieve what they want to achieve."
Tom Landry.
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01-08-2013
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#17
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Originally Posted by weaver21
Because the new head coach would want a new defensive coordinator. If that's the case, then Horton would be released from his contract.
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Big if and that would mean Jerry has to wait until Az decides on their new HC. Very stupid chance but Jerry has gone full Al Davis so maybe you got a point. |
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01-08-2013
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#18
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Originally Posted by weaver21
Because the new head coach would want a new defensive coordinator. If that's the case, then Horton would be released from his contract.
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Makes sense, just doesn't seem likely. Having an elite defense in tact would be a major selling point for offensive minded HCs. But you never know, maybe we get lucky. Just odd to believe we fired Rob with Horton in mind before we even know if he's gonna be available. |
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01-08-2013
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#19
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I mean I'm not saying that Arizona's new head coach will replace Horton as I think it would be a stupid move considering Horton is a great defensive coordinator. But I've seen it before when new coaches are hired, they usually replace the staff including new coordinators. I'm just surprised Horton hasn't been considered at least a favorite to take over as the head coach in AZ. Just a little surprising to me.
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do ... to achieve what they want to achieve."
Tom Landry.
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01-08-2013
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#20
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Generally you don't want people in your hire who don't like you. Not good for working relations and efficiency. Also, Horton is not guaranteed a job so if he's offered a job he likes then he'll ask for and likely get his own release. People don't want to go to work for an organization that doesn't guarantee a coach a job then lets him get fired by the new HC after refusing to allow him to walk into a new job somewhere. Not a good idea.
Did you know there are only 5000 Snow Leopards in the wild now and they are confined to Central Asia? However, the effective global population (those likely to reproduce) is less than half that number.
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01-08-2013
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#21
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Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFinisher
Yes that's true, but again, why would Arizona let him walk?
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Because it passes him over for head coach for someone else. Most coaches don't end up being too happy in that situation.
"'Room' always makes me chuckle. That's irrelevant. What we have on a given day really doesn't relate to what you're ultimately going to have and how you're going to manage."
Stephen Jones on salary cap limitations
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01-08-2013
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#22
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Originally Posted by weaver21
I mean I'm not saying that Arizona's new head coach will replace Horton as I think it would be a stupid move considering Horton is a great defensive coordinator. But I've seen it before when new coaches are hired, they usually replace the staff including new coordinators. I'm just surprised Horton hasn't been considered at least a favorite to take over as the head coach in AZ. Just a little surprising to me.
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No you're right, it does happen, but from our side of it you don't fire your DC without having your eyes set on an available replacement... And as of now Horton is not available.
Just makes me think he's not the guy we have in mind. |
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01-08-2013
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#23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFinisher
No you're right, it does happen, but from our side of it you don't fire your DC without having your eyes set on an available replacement... And as of now Horton is not available.
Just makes me think he's not the guy we have in mind.
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Garrett did want him instead of Ryan back in 2011 so I definitely think he'll keep an eye out for him. It's unlikely considering it seems like they are going to switch to the 4-3 this season based on Garrett's comments.
"Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do ... to achieve what they want to achieve."
Tom Landry.
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01-08-2013
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Originally Posted by NeonDeion21
He is a candidate for that HC job in Arizona. If he doesn't get the job, I am sure he will ask out of his contract.
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I thought if the HC was fired the coordinators and staff could opt out.
Not true? |
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01-08-2013
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#25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFinisher
No you're right, it does happen, but from our side of it you don't fire your DC without having your eyes set on an available replacement... And as of now Horton is not available.
Just makes me think he's not the guy we have in mind.
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exactly. Horton is not the guy. However, nothing Jerry does surprises me anymore because he has gone full senile. |
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01-08-2013
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#26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by weaver21
Garrett did want him instead of Ryan back in 2011 so I definitely think he'll keep an eye out for him. It's unlikely considering it seems like they are going to switch to the 4-3 this season based on Garrett's comments.
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Yea I remember, and I'm not saying I'd be against it. Horton is a great DC.
But like I said, the timing of everything makes me feel we have someone else in mind. |
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01-08-2013
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#27
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Originally Posted by DFWJC
I thought if the HC was fired the coordinators and staff could opt out.
Not true?
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Don't think so. From what I hear in Arizona he is still under contract. And we cannot offer him the "Assistant" HC as a promotion. Lateral moves are not an option unless he is fired/released. |
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01-08-2013
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#28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DFWJC
I thought if the HC was fired the coordinators and staff could opt out.
Not true?
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No, he's still under contract and would need permission from the Cardinals to accept a lateral move to another club. |
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01-08-2013
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#29
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Boringgggggggg. I would rather have Lovie.
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01-08-2013
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#30
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Hortkn is a 3-4 guy. Don't think it's him.
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