New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Earlier in this thread I was told that if I didn't like it I should take my kid out of the school and put them in a private school. Why doesn't that same logic hold true for those who want their kids shot up with drugs just to make the drug companies money?
(By the way we home school. Always have and always will so it doesn't effect us.) Oh and my kids and my wife and I have never had the "flu". we've had a few colds but nothing like the hysteria surrounding this.

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

[JBond]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I'm not sure where the weird idea that the flu vaccine is a "cocktail" came from and that humans are guinea pigs. Vaccines have been around for a lot longer than many of the current drugs I would assume wouldn't classify as "cocktails".

The basically take the bug, replicate the hell out of it and render it incapable of causing an infection, and inject that. There's probably some more detailed steps but the gist of it is that you are getting injected with deactivated forms of the actual virus.

It's like calibrating a mine detector by using mines with the explosives removed so when you actually come across a real explosive you don't walk right over it.

[View Full Quote]I'm not sure how "cocktail" comes into play. Vaccines have been developed for a long time. They aren't just throwing together all sorts of chemicals, they actually feeding your immune system the exact information it needs to identify and eradicate the virus before it establishes an infection.

and they have been ineffective for just as long. The strand running rampant right now was not planed for and is not addressed by the current cocktail they are forcing children to be shot up with.

This year’s predominant flu (76 percent) is very similar to a type that caused a severe season in 2003-2004, when the flu shot wasn’t a good match and there were more than 40,000 associated deaths, said Dr. Marc Siegel, a member of the Fox News Medical A Team. [...]

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...ers/?mobile=nc

If all the other kids in the school have the magical elixir already injected into their bodies, why should they care if one didn't. They have the magic potion in them already. It should not matter one little bit to them. They have the government mandated solution. Nothing could possibly go wrong, so why are they even worried about it?

[JBond]

Originally Posted by CashMan

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

Stalin?

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by CashMan

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

You are out of your mind and would be not welcome around me, ever. It is this kind of attitude which has sunk this country. You are all for taking things from anyone who you think will benefit a few more.

I'd like to see you try.


Happy New Year

[pjtoadie]

Originally Posted by Dallas

You are out of your mind and would be not welcome around me, ever. It is this kind of attitude which has sunk this country. You are all for taking things from anyone who you think will benefit a few more.

I'd like to see you try.


Happy New Year

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by CashMan

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

Spock wasn't a man, he was Klingon. And it was fiction so there ya go.

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Spock wasn't a man, he was Klingon. And it was fiction so there ya go.

Spock was a Vulcan/Human mix, not Klingon. Come on Cajun, get your 70's Sci-Fi facts correct.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by JIMMYBUFFETT

Spock was a Vulcan/Human mix, not Klingon. Come on Cajun, get your 70's Sci-Fi facts correct.

Thank you for setting him straight, Devo John Wayne.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by JIMMYBUFFETT

Spock was a Vulcan/Human mix, not Klingon. Come on Cajun, get your 70's Sci-Fi facts correct.

Argh. And that genre meant so much to me as well.

[JBond]

Originally Posted by Dallas

You are out of your mind and would be not welcome around me, ever. It is this kind of attitude which has sunk this country. You are all for taking things from anyone who you think will benefit a few more.

I'd like to see you try.


Happy New Year

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

get with the program greedy capitalist.

Not sure how the thread got this far off track, but I thought I would throw it out there. I miss the old forum.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

If it constantly adapts, which I was well aware of, why even take the shot?

I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't have a clue, it was just the most concise way I could reply it the post. I apologize if that came off wrong. Our back and forth has been a good discussion and I didn't meant to imply anything by it, just point out to Cajun I had addressed that question.

But, to answer you next question.

Because like most mutations, it usually takes a conglomerate of single genetic changes to produce an observable change. A single change in the genetic sequence might not do anything or it could do something. I don't think the idea is that the virus instantly changes from person-to-person. The actual genetic code of the virus may change but the resultant changes in the organism itself could be nothing. Just given enough replication and time within the population, the odds of a new strain arising are increased.

You take the shot because they can predict to a certain extent what strains will be present. I don't know how they do it. I know they collect data from around the world all throughout the year but that's about it.

When you guess right, you protect against that strain.

I don't think the process of change is so fast that it makes the shot irrelevant. Most shots are given prior to peak flu season based on the predicted strains thereby reducing spread from the onset and duration of the "flu season" itself.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by JBond

and they have been ineffective for just as long. The strand running rampant right now was not planed for and is not addressed by the current cocktail they are forcing children to be shot up with.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...ers/?mobile=nc

I don't see why it matters whether or not an unforeseen strain is covered in terms of covering what you can. You give flu shots in the first place to cover against the one's you can predict. Why wouldn't you do the same in a situation in which an unpredicted strain arises? There are multiple strains each year.

Originally Posted by JBond

If all the other kids in the school have the magical elixir already injected into their bodies, why should they care if one didn't. They have the magic potion in them already. It should not matter one little bit to them. They have the government mandated solution. Nothing could possibly go wrong, so why are they even worried about it?

Posted earlier.

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

So the problem arises when the identified and targeted strains are allowed to linger around for a long enough time, passing from unvaccinated person to unvaccinated person, replicating and mutating along the way. With enough mutation, it's possible that the previously vaccinable strain escapes coverage and can cross over into vaccinated populations. Now you have a highly communicable disease that can be spread to anyone from a single person or contaminated object to multiple persons in a short span of time and for which there is no effective vaccine currently available.

The issue isn't about whether or not one kid who isn't vaccinated gives another who is vaccinated a strain that is covered.

It's about the covered strain getting passed around for a long enough period of time and replicating enough that the cumulative changes alter the virus into one that isn't covered.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by JBond

I have not had a flu shot in 25 years and have not had the flu in 25 years.

31 years for me....no shot, no flu.

It's big business though.

Please don't get me started on the zillion other shots they pump (or try to pump) own little kid with these day.

Big Oil = angels compared to Big Pharma.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't have a clue, it was just the most concise way I could reply it the post. I apologize if that came off wrong. Our back and forth has been a good discussion and I didn't meant to imply anything by it, just point out to Cajun I had addressed that question.

But, to answer you next question.

Because like most mutations, it usually takes a conglomerate of single genetic changes to produce an observable change. A single change in the genetic sequence might not do anything or it could do something. I don't think the idea is that the virus instantly changes from person-to-person. The actual genetic code of the virus may change but the resultant changes in the organism itself could be nothing. Just given enough replication and time within the population, the odds of a new strain arising are increased.

[View Full Quote]You take the shot because they can predict to a certain extent what strains will be present. I don't know how they do it. I know they collect data from around the world all throughout the year but that's about it.

When you guess right, you protect against that strain.

I don't think the process of change is so fast that it makes the shot irrelevant. Most shots are given prior to peak flu season based on the predicted strains thereby reducing spread from the onset and duration of the "flu season" itself.

Well that's interesting. I didn't know all of that so thanks. That's actually pretty cool.

I'm not completely opposed to anyone taking it so I hope I didn't come off that way. I certainly think there are people who should take them. I just don't think there's a reason for me to take one or a parent to make their kids if they can properly care for the kid. I question if the risks of not getting it becuse you got the shot are that much better than the risk of you getting it without the shot, amongst the average citizen--no outliers.

[vta]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

31 years for me....no shot, no flu.

It's big business though.

Please don't get me started on the zillion other shots they pump (or try to pump) own little kid with these day.

Big Oil = angels compared to Big Pharma.

Pharma companies funnel millions into R&D, they have to recoup that and yes it is and should be a concern. You'd be amazed at how much a company will spend in simple advertising for an antacid, think about it when it comes to more expensive pharmaceuticals.