Lots of speculation RG3 has a torn ACL

[Cowboys22]

One more thing, this new story that the ACL was intact but it was repaired anyway, is 100% total BS just like the cloudy MRI story. They have known since about 3 minutes after that knee buckled and he went into that little room that the ACL was gone. Its a simple test for stability and the doctor can tell almost 100% right then and there on the field. The MRI is done for confirmation and to determine the extent of the damage so they can plan the surgery. This latest bit on news is nothing more that a CYA for the doctor and the coach. They let the kid play with torn ligaments and he went out and fully ruptured his knee because it was unstable. I'm sorry, I don't buy any of it. If the ACL was intact and only partially torn then it was only a sprain and would not need total reconstruction. They simply cannot admit the truth because their judgement would be topic #1 and Goodall would probably have to step in and do something.

[newlander]

Originally Posted by Cowboys22

While absolutely 100% true, I would put my money on the kid getting back and being just as good, maybe not for week 1 but surely by midseason. I just think he has the work ethic, character, and attitude that will get him through this. I think the biggest question is going to be how he reacts to having his reigns pulled in which will have to happen for him to be a 10-12 year player.

....he'll come back physically by next Sept or OCt. and be VERY good but....he still has a long way to go to be a pocket passer and by then where will Kirk Cousins be in that offense? He's flying under the radar here boys: I'm telling you, and have since this time last year that he's the real deal. He can win in that offense by driving the bus in parcells-speak. He's smart, efficient and can make ALL the throws. As bad as they mismanaged RG3, they were genius in drafting COusins in 4th round, despite the criticism they took at the time. I know some of you don't want to hear it, but it's true.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Romo could suffer a small series of strokes and not put up 185 yards passing combined and a 50% completion percentage in two games.

Are you still ignoring his performances when he was healthy to harp on his performances when he's injured? Good lord, you never learn....

[kingwhicker]

He's a China Doll. He'll come back, but he'll tear it up again. He's fragile. Three firsts & a second for a China Doll.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

I would agree that at this point RG3 has more upside, but no way is he a better QB today.

at this point you cant even know for sure if Bob the third will ever get back on the field let alone say he has more upside than romo

[newlander]

Originally Posted by kingwhicker

He's a China Doll. He'll come back, but he'll tear it up again. He's fragile. Three firsts & a second for a China Doll.

........but as I just said: drafting Cousins in 4th round might've REALLY saved their butts: not saying he's the next Brady but the kid is GOOD: hopefully not TOO good.


....someone in here said their grandpa was a long time coach and said that RG3 would never last: why not? He isn't a football player, he's a track guy playing football; LOOK at him for crying out loud.....same with Michael Vick: surprised he's lasted as long as he has honestly.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Romo could suffer a small series of strokes and not put up 185 yards passing combined and a 50% completion percentage in two games.

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by visionary

at this point you cant even know for sure if Bob the third will ever get back on the field let alone say he has more upside than romo

My understanding of the application of upside must be different.

Evaluating upside requires a great deal of speculation and conjecture, like assuming RG3 will regain his mobility.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

My understanding of the application of upside must be different.

Evaluating upside requires a great deal of speculation and conjecture, like assuming RG3 will regain his mobility.

must be

upside still has to be what one can reasonably expect not just pie in the sky

otherwise there are several 5 year olds that have more upside than RG3 but that is a meaningless statement

to bring the discussion into realistic terms, knowing what you know right now (with the RG3 injury) would you trade romo for RG3?

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by visionary

must be

upside still has to be what one can reasonably expect not just pie in the sky

otherwise there are several 5 year olds that have more upside than RG3 but that is a meaningless statement

to bring the discussion into realistic terms, knowing what you know right now (with the RG3 injury) would you trade romo for RG3?

it is reasonable to suspect that after 12 months, RG3 will be as fast as before.

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by visionary

would you trade romo for RG3?

yes i would

[1fisher]

So.... according to an article I read, he tore the ACL which was a Patella graft from the injury in 2009. In the surgery performed today they used a Patella graft from his left knee. I just don't see him coming back in 8-10 months.

[kmd24]

Originally Posted by Cowboys22

One more thing, this new story that the ACL was intact but it was repaired anyway, is 100% total BS just like the cloudy MRI story. They have known since about 3 minutes after that knee buckled and he went into that little room that the ACL was gone. Its a simple test for stability and the doctor can tell almost 100% right then and there on the field. The MRI is done for confirmation and to determine the extent of the damage so they can plan the surgery. This latest bit on news is nothing more that a CYA for the doctor and the coach. They let the kid play with torn ligaments and he went out and fully ruptured his knee because it was unstable. I'm sorry, I don't buy any of it. If the ACL was intact and only partially torn then it was only a sprain and would not need total reconstruction. They simply cannot admit the truth because their judgement would be topic #1 and Goodall would probably have to step in and do something.

Partial ACL tears leave laxity and thus knee instability. If Griffin suffered a partial tear, then the drawer test would likely have shown some greater than normal movement but been inconclusive for a rupture.

Regardless, a severe grade 2 ACL sprain will often require replacement because it won't really heal itself, so the knee remains instable and is just a rupture waiting to happen. I don't really know what changes when the "ligament" is really a patellar tendon graft, but my guess is that it is even less likely to heal because tendons themselves heal slowly, let alone one grafted to serve as a ligament.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

it is reasonable to suspect that after 12 months, RG3 will be as fast as before.

this morning mike and mike had an orthopod on

here is what he said

"2/3 of NFL players DONT COME BACK after ACL surgery"

"to say that his knee will be as strong as before surgery is just incorrect"

not my opinion

you add in that speed and mobility were a big part of his game and you do the math

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by visionary

this morning mike and mike had an orthopod on

here is what he said

"2/3 of NFL players DONT COME BACK after ACL surgery"

"to say that his knee will be as strong as before surgery is just incorrect"

not my opinion

I've heard close to four different opinions from doctors in that field today, and all four have had a different opinion on how long it would take for him to recover. I did listen to him on M&M, his opinion was the least positive, yet doesn't make it the most accurate.