Pa. governor sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

All of the investigators, all of the investigations, found whatever they found and came to the conclusions that they did, dealt out the punishments that they did, .. and Penn St. never said a word, but just accepted it all.

You need to let that all sink in a bit.

The NCAA never investigated, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania investigated and have delayed any trials against any Penn State administrators because at this minute they'd lose.

So what investigations are you referring to other that the media firestorm?

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Well, the Grand Jury didn't find all those things. As a matter of fact the main fall gay at Penn State (outside of the real criminals) was Paterno who THEY said didn't do anything wrong. Yet, he also was fired. Stripped of his wins and forced to live the last few months of his life wondering what the hell happened. And all without die process.

Why did all of that happen if he was totally not at fault? Why would they do that to a completely innocent man?

And you need to let the whole situation sink in. The entire score of the lemmings wanted to make their "I hate child molesters just as much as you" statement so they had enormous amounts of public pressure put on the board of trustees while it was in a state of flux and made a rash decision.

You seriously think that they punished Penn St. based solely on peer pressure?

And that is why the NCAA is being sued because they levied punishment outside of their rules and guidelines just to satisfy the blood lust of the public who LOVES to see something great torn down. Just as you and others in this thread are displaying without even considering the facts.

Let THAT sink in.

So you are thinking that Penn St. is completely innocent here? A victim themselves evidently? And were punished unjustly?

Nobody singled Penn St. out and said let's "tear them down."

They brought this all on themselves.

When the investigators came in, .. they didn't determine that "it was only Sandusky, and everybody else didn't know a thing."

No, they found a lot more than that, enough to bring down the hammer, a big hammer.

That was very revealing to me.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

Why did all of that happen if he was totally not at fault? Why would they do that to a completely innocent man?

The Grand jury didn't. Read it more closely.

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

You seriously think that they punished Penn St. based solely on peer pressure?

Yes because they had no business doing so.

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

So you are thinking that Penn St. is completely innocent here? A victim themselves evidently? And were punished unjustly?

The university, yes. The players, yes. The teachers, yes. The alumni, yes.

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

Nobody singled Penn St. out and said let's "tear them down."

Actually that's pretty much what happened every night on ESPN and every other news outlet.

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

They brought this all on themselves.

Ummm, no, Sandusky did by raping children. Schultz and Curley did by covering it up. Can you point to a teacher, or alumni or current player who did so?

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

When the investigators came in, .. they didn't determine that "it was only Sandusky, and everybody else didn't know a thing."

Right, the Freeh investigation indicated that Curley and Schultz and to a lesser extent Paterno were involved. Individuals, not an entire institution.

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

No, they found a lot more than that, enough to bring down the hammer, a big hammer.

That was very revealing to me.

They found NOTHING more than three individuals mentioned. And yet you condemn thousands of others for that.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

They found NOTHING more than three individuals mentioned. And yet you condemn thousands of others for that.

I condem nobody. I have no clue who all was/is at fault.

I am only going on what I read happened.

Obviously I was not there, ever. I only know what I read. And honestly I have not read very jot and tittle on this.

But I just cannot believe that they randomly punished people without just cause, .. other than the colleteral damage which I tried to point out with my "completely and utterly absurd" analogy.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

I condem nobody. I have no clue who all was/is at fault.

I am only going on what I read happened.

Obviously I was not there, ever. I only know what I read. And honestly I have not read very jot and tittle on this.

But I just cannot believe that they randomly punished people without just cause, .. other than the colleteral damage which I tried to point out with my "completely and utterly absurd" analogy.

You can't believe they punish the collective for the acts of a few? Really? Have you read the news lately on gun control? Or even to the silly point of banning large sodas in NY because some people are fat? It's the world we live in today. Punish everyone and anyone and it will keep the faceless masses in line. The Penn State saga is an epic portrait of that very thing.

You punish the perpetrators and that is it. Not the collective.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

You punish the perpetrators and that is it. Not the collective.

Perhaps if you are right, .. they will not have to pay the $60 million, they will get the wins back, they will put the statue back up, they will be eligible for bowls, .. etc, etc.

But it is hard to imagine that they went to those extremes without a reason.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

I condem nobody. I have no clue who all was/is at fault.

I am only going on what I read happened.

Obviously I was not there, ever. I only know what I read. And honestly I have not read very jot and tittle on this.

But I just cannot believe that they randomly punished people without just cause, .. other than the colleteral damage which I tried to point out with my "completely and utterly absurd" analogy.

That's the problem with the instant gratification of today's society. People were in an uproar, the NCAA, or more correctly Mark Emmert, knew that people would laud them for acting. The truth be damned. Now that the truth is slowly filtering out, no one cares, their mind's already been made up.

It's a fascinating tale of political corruption, a rush to judgment, an NCAA power play...everything from a former judge doing things a first year knows is unacceptable and breaking laws(see Cynthia Baldwin), a State AG delaying action until after his Governor election, railroading Sandusky (not referring to his guilt but his trial) to get it out of the headlines, news outlets sitting on the story until after an important victory, ESPN power brokers deciding the outcome before they knew any facts...

There's several studies that show people seldom change their opinions, regardless of new information. The media plays on this and can get away with anything. You seem to remember what you thought you read or heard but are having trouble pointing to specifics. That's not a slam on you but rather a damnation of everyone because we all do it.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

Perhaps if you are right, .. they will not have to pay the $60 million, they will get the wins back, they will put the statue back up, they will be eligible for bowls, .. etc, etc.

But it is hard to imagine that they went to those extremes without a reason.

I have no faith in the courts to do the right thing in anything any more.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

That's the problem with the instant gratification of today's society. People were in an uproar, the NCAA, or more correctly Mark Emmert, knew that people would laud them for acting. The truth be damned. Now that the truth is slowly filtering out, no one cares, their mind's already been made up.

It's a fascinating tale of political corruption, a rush to judgment, an NCAA power play...everything from a former judge doing things a first year knows is unacceptable and breaking laws(see Cynthia Baldwin), a State AG delaying action until after his Governor election, railroading Sandusky (not referring to his guilt but his trial) to get it out of the headlines, news outlets sitting on the story until after an important victory, ESPN power brokers deciding the outcome before they knew any facts...

[View Full Quote]There's several studies that show people seldom change their opinions, regardless of new information. The media plays on this and can get away with anything. You seem to remember what you thought you read or heard but are having trouble pointing to specifics. That's not a slam on you but rather a damnation of everyone because we all do it.

Well, there are people who still think O.J. is innocent, so there ya go.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Well, there are people who still think O.J. is innocent, so there ya go.

No, there isn't.

[koolaid]

So punishing the football program is going to far? Even though people in the athletic program knew of the scandal and did nothing? Even though the football program itself was part of the the criminal's tactic to molest children?

No way. Penn state was corrupt to the core and got what they deserve. They made boat loads of profits while championing the morality of their institution. They should be happy they still have a football program.

EDIT: And I do believe covering up this scandal was beneficial to the program as I doubt recruiting or fundraising for the program would have been the same had the truth come out.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by koolaid

So punishing the football program is going to far? Even though people in the athletic program knew of the scandal and did nothing? Even though the football program itself was part of the the criminal's tactic to molest children?

No way. Penn state was corrupt to the core and got what they deserve. They made boat loads of profits while championing the morality of their institution. They should be happy they still have a football program.

EDIT: And I do believe covering up this scandal was beneficial to the program as I doubt recruiting or fundraising for the program would have been the same had the truth come out.

You obviously are another person who hasn't educated themselves on the difference between NCAA violations and criminal misconduct. Take some time to do that. Also, It wasn't the program that was corrupt. You really have a difficult time separating a few people's actions from thousands of innocent. But keep the hate coming and the ignorance flowing.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

You obviously are another person who hasn't educated themselves on the difference between NCAA violations and criminal misconduct. Take some time to do that. Also, It wasn't the program that was corrupt. You really have a difficult time separating a few people's actions from thousands of innocent. But keep the hate coming and the ignorance flowing.

This falls under the NCAA violations related to institutional control. Also, they have rules about reporting crimes to the proper authorities. And the fact that Penn State accepted the penalties with nary a protest seems to prove that the NCAA had the proper authority to do what they did. You typically fight something if it is wrong, not just gladly accept it and move forward.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

This falls under the NCAA violations related to institutional control.

NCAA did not investigate plus they went outside their own process.

Originally Posted by joseephuss

Also, they have rules about reporting crimes to the proper authorities.

Got a link to that that says the university and not the individual is responsible?

Originally Posted by joseephuss

And the fact that Penn State accepted the penalties with nary a protest seems to prove that the NCAA had the proper authority to do what they did. You typically fight something if it is wrong, not just gladly accept it and move forward.

Wrong. Happens ALL THE TIME especially when there is a witch hunt on like there was around this.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

I see you are unable to draw a distinction between an NCAA violation and a crime. So I will just allow you to ramble on without trying to argue with someone who doesn't have the basic understanding of this situation.

So essentially your bringing up the idea of 'justice' was just a lame attempt, as your admitting now, to defend Penn State... isn't justice a moral issue?