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DenCWBY · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by erod

This. Garrett has exceptional qualities, but that doesn't mean the offense isn't stale and need of a fresh approach.

I agree. I didn't at first half of the season but I think he earned another year after the Pitt game. I do think he needs help with O/C responsibilities so he can focus on the team as a whole.

superpunk · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by yentl911

Brian B was saying this and he has some close contacts with the team I would say. Makes sense.

The team does not have to justify letting Ryan go. If they are not happy with his performance then they were not happy. End of discussion.

Well then they could have let him go without leaking this "disorganized" crap.

Or maybe they should have noticed that during the interview process when he came into the room looking like Pig Pen with paper and post-it notes flying all over the place.

InmanRoshi · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by DenCWBY

Get real man.

So Brian Stewart was hired because he was JJ's handpicked choice, and not because he had previously coached with Wade in San Diego?

And Jimmy Robinson was hired because he was JJ's handpicked choice, not because he and Garrett had previously worked together before?

This is your assertion? Because if it is, it's utterly laughable.

yentl911 · 01-09-2013

Jerry is going to make the decisions. Period. He will take input but the final call is his. People may not be happy with that but that is the way it is. Stop complaining about it and move on or cheer for another team. I am so tired of Jerry this, Jerry that...the guy wants to win more than anyone.

Maybe he wasn't happy with Ryan's performance. Sorry it went against all of the football guru's on here.

I could care less if Ryan is here. To be honest I was so tired of seeing Spencer and Ware dropping into coverage or having our CB's 15 yards off the damn ball. People complained about the lack of plays, the lack or proper player utilization and then go nuts when the guy is rolled.

Pick one side or the other or you are just dragging your ******* down the pickets.

yentl911 · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by superpunk

Well then they could have let him go without leaking this "disorganized" crap.

Or maybe they should have noticed that during the interview process when he came into the room looking like Pig Pen with paper and post-it notes flying all over the place.

Maybe they thought he would come around given the new opportunity but it did not work out. Like I said, they do not need to justify the decision.

superpunk · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by yentl911

Maybe they thought he would come around given the new opportunity but it did not work out. Like I said, they do not need to justify the decision.

And yet here we are - with them "justifying the decision" by leaking that the guy they've made the scapegoat was "disorganized".

yentl911 · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by superpunk

And yet here we are - with them "justifying the decision" by leaking that the guy they've made the scapegoat was "disorganized".

I do not think it was being used as justification but more of a fact. I do not think Ryan is a scapegoat. He just isn't/ wasn't very good. Next.

superpunk · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by yentl911

I do not think it was being used as justification but more of a fact.

What is the difference? Noone is saying that it's false - just that it's pathetic timing and since it's been leaked it's absolutely being tossed about as justification.

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I do not think Ryan is a scapegoat. He just isn't/ wasn't very good. Next.

Neither is Garrett. But he's still employed, at least for now. Hence - scapegoat.

InmanRoshi · 01-09-2013

It may have been because he was "disorganized".

Your point that Garrett should have weeded him out in an interview goes back to my point that Garrett didn't have many direct coaching contacts or working relationships in the coaching community before he came to Dallas. When you have no personal background with people, you have to resort to less than reliable routes like interviews and word of mouth. If I had a nickel for everytime someone I hired who interviewed great but didn't work out longterm, I would have like fifty leven nickels.

FWIW, this is reportedly one of the things that got Andy Reid in trouble in Philly. He worked with one defensive guy for so many years that when Jimmy Johnson passed away and had to be replaced he had lost all of his defensive coaching contacts from his assistant days and didn't know who to replace him with. He tried to promote a young guy from within, who wasn't ready for the job and didn't work out. Then he had to go outside and bring in guys based on reputation and word of mouth like Jim Washburn, and it was a train wreck.

yentl911 · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

It may have been because he was "disorganized".

Your point that Garrett should have weeded him out in an interview goes back to my point that Garrett didn't have many direct coaching contacts or working relationships in the coaching community before he came to Dallas. When you have no personal background with people, you have to resort to less than reliable routes like interviews and word of mouth. If I had a nickel for everytime someone I hired who interviewed great but didn't work out longterm, I would have like fifty leven nickels.

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Real good points Roshi.

yentl911 · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by superpunk

What is the difference? Noone is saying that it's false - just that it's pathetic timing and since it's been leaked it's absolutely being tossed about as justification.
Neither is Garrett. But he's still employed, at least for now. Hence - scapegoat.

Well Garrett is staying and I think he is the long term HC. I think he is going to be great.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Ryan sucked.

superpunk · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Your point that Garrett should have weeded him out in an interview goes back to my point that Garrett didn't have many direct coaching contacts or working relationships in the coaching community before he came to Dallas. When you have no personal background with people, you have to resort to less than reliable routes like interviews and word of mouth.

Sounds like we made a great head coaching hire, especially with three all time greats approaching 30.

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Originally Posted by yentl911

Well Garrett is staying and I think he is the long term HC. I think he is going to be great.

I too enjoy fantasizing about things that will never happen.

rcaldw · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by superpunk

This is all speculation but Ryan always felt like the guy Jerry hired for Jason.

What we might be seeing now is Jerry saying "ok Jason you have one year to do it with a fully hand picked staff".

No idea whether or not it's true, or why he would do that, but I've given up trying to make sense of this team.

I think you might be right on this.

5Stars · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

It may have been because he was "disorganized".

Your point that Garrett should have weeded him out in an interview goes back to my point that Garrett didn't have many direct coaching contacts or working relationships in the coaching community before he came to Dallas. When you have no personal background with people, you have to resort to less than reliable routes like interviews and word of mouth.

If I remember correctly, Ryan came in with a shirt and tie during Garrett's interview and wanted to just talk football. Garrett told him he could take off his tie and just talk, so Garrett hired him.

Shouldn't Jerry have corrected him? He is the GM and he knows way more people in the NFL than Garrett did.

**Idgit** · 01-09-2013

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Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

RR didn't get a pass. He got fired despite being able to hold this defense together. He got canned.

How about Garrett? His been here longer, got multiple passes for being and inept playcaller, and is still getting a pass on why our offense is stale and predictive each and every year since his been a HC and/or an OC. Ryan is nothing more than a scapegoat. Majority of the problem is Garrett himself.

1, they're not peers. 2, JG is not an inept play caller, and I"ll ask what I always ask when this gets thrown around: can you name a single play call you didn't like? And I'm not talking about the outcome, but the play itself. I bet you can't.

Finally, there's a reason why the team apparently thought JG is deserving of a job and RR is not. Their decision might not be right, but it's based on a lot more data than you're basing yours on.