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Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I don't think we can win another superbowl with any coach as long as Jerry wants to be the GM and make sure everyone knows he has final say in everything.

It's fair to think that but man do I hope you are wrong. I'm sure you do too.

Double Trouble · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

You didn't see a significant difference between Campo and Parcells? I did. We turned around under the Tuna. We were a rudderless ship with Campo.

You seem to be saying you don't think we can win as long as Jerry's here. As negative as I am about him I don't agree with that. I think we can. It's just going to take the right coach. Someone who commands a lot of respect, has a good eye for talent and is capable of working around Jerry.

No coach is going to work under those conditions if he has other options. And someone like you described will have plenty of options.

No top football man is going to want to sit there and have Jones looking over his shoulder, in his lockerroom, on his sideline, overriding what he wants on draft day, making the final call on his roster. Talking down to star players in the lockerroom. Coming down to the sideline to tell the coach to take his stars out of the game. Determining his coaching staff. Andy Reid/John Gruden/Bill Cowher/One of the Harbaughs (or whoever) is working in that? They want a setup where their team runs through a night club on the way to the field?

The only chance Dallas makes it to a super bowl is if the stars align the way they did for Arizona a few years ago, or Oakland a decade ago. But as we saw, those were flukes with no lasting success.

I don't know how many failed seasons it will take for people to realize that building something like they have in Baltimore, GB, NE, Pitt, used to have in Indy, and appears to be emerging in SF isn't going to happen in Dallas. The only way is to get what they have....top notch football men. And such a man isn't going to work under the thumb of Jerry Jones and his circus.

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Double Trouble

No coach is going to work under those conditions if he has other options. And someone like you described will have plenty of options.

No top football man is going to want to sit there and have Jones looking over his shoulder, in his lockerroom, on his sideline, overriding what he wants on draft day, making the final call on his roster. Talking down to star players in the lockerroom. Coming down to the sideline to tell the coach to take his stars out of the game. Determining his coaching staff. Andy Reid/John Gruden/Bill Cowher/One of the Harbaughs (or whoever) is working in that? They want a setup where their team runs through a night club on the way to the field?

The only chance Dallas makes it to a super bowl is if the stars align the way they did for Arizona a few years ago, or Oakland a decade ago. But as we saw, those were flukes with no lasting success.

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Then why did Parcells come here? He had plenty of options.

FLcowboy · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'm waiting for the franchise savior, the great Stephen Jones, to talk some sense into him.

Any day now.

And just how far does the apple fall from the tree?

FLcowboy · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Then why did Parcells come here? He had plenty of options.

If I remember, Parcells was going through a nasty divorce at the time, and needed the ready cash to maintaiin his style of living.

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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If I remember, Parcells was going through a nasty divorce at the time, and needed the ready cash to maintaiin his style of living.

That doesn't explain why he chose Dallas. He had other options. He waited for the right one to come along.

Double Trouble · 01-10-2013

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Then why did Parcells come here? He had plenty of options.

He said when he left that changes he made wouldn't last. Ultimately, Jones doing things like pushing Terrell Owens on him led him to leave.

I'd say Jones gave Parcells every promise and assurance you can imagine, 10 years ago. Jones was desperate to get his stadium built, and a 5-11 team ran by a Dave Campo clone wouldn't get it done. So he acted as though sweeping changes were coming and convinced Parcells to come. And that's essentially right out of Jones' mouth, not opinion.

Jones will never again be under such pressure to change. The stadium is a giant ATM for him.

I think Parcells needed $$$. I'd say that $4-5M a year options weren't there for him like they had been, he'd burned too many bridges, and Parcells knew it was likely his last coaching gig. And what happened with Parcells? He rebuilt the roster, got fed up with Jones, and left.

Wolfpack · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

That doesn't explain why he chose Dallas. He had other options. He waited for the right one to come along.

Bill was used to a big stage and liked all the attention of him rebuilding a team. Dallas was going to give him the stage, the Owner would spend to rebuild and would pay him a good fee to be there.

Tampa was too small of a stage...who cares if he rebuilt the Bucs?

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

I guess when I actually see the Cowboys fail to get a head coach they want I'll start to believe coaches don't want to come here. It's never happened before. I'm quite confident if Garrett was gone this year and Payton left the Saints he'd have come here. Holmgren is begging to come here. Gruden would come here. It's probably his #1 choice.

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Bill was used to a big stage and liked all the attention of him rebuilding a team. Dallas was going to give him the stage, the Owner would spend to rebuild and would pay him a good fee to be there.

Tampa was too small of a stage...who cares if he rebuilt the Bucs?

And that's exactly why the big name head coaches will come to Dallas. Their egos covet winning on this big stage.

The next head coach to win a title here will be the biggest thing in the coaching world.

wileedog · 01-10-2013

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That doesn't explain why he chose Dallas. He had other options. He waited for the right one to come along.

Bill was promised control, and more than any other coach since Jimmy was given it. At least for a couple of years, until the itch became unbearable for Jerry and he brought in T.O., and then things started to come apart again.

The relief from Jerry when Bill walked out the door was palpable. Like an addict finding his lost stash.

Only way we get another football guy is if Jerry admits he needs to step back again, and then that guy doesn't remember its just temporary. Which from the looks of this offseason, will be never.

ManicDepressiveMan · 01-10-2013

Wow, that was one of the harshest articles on Jerry that I've ever read.

Hypocrite?

Fool?

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by wileedog

Bill was promised control, and more than any other coach since Jimmy was given it. At least for a couple of years, until the itch became unbearable for Jerry and he brought in T.O., and then things started to come apart again.

The relief from Jerry when Bill walked out the door was palpable. Like an addict finding his lost stash.

Only way we get another football guy is if Jerry admits he needs to step back again, and then that guy doesn't remember its just temporary. Which from the looks of this offseason, will be never.

Yeah, it'll take Jerry stepping back like he did with Parcells. Something he's done, so he's capable of doing it again. At least in my opinion.

wileedog · 01-10-2013

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Something he's done, so he's capable of doing it again. At least in my opinion.

Like any addict, Jerry needs to hit rock bottom again. So I think it will take 1 or 2 abysmal 2009 type drafts and couple of 4-10, 5-11 seasons to make that happen. Considering the media has already turned on Jerry pretty badly the past few seasons, I think the heat may get ratcheted up enough at that point for him to look in the mirror again.

But don't forget, most people speculate the only reason he stepped back for Parcells was to get his palace/stadium approved and built. He's already got that now.

Flinger · 01-10-2013

"The process of turning a man with a spine into a Jerry puppet apparently takes two seasons without a playoff bid."

Without being in the meetings between Jerry and Garrett, we may be making assumptions that Jerry is the puppeteer working behind the curtain. But, it may have been Garrett.

But, if Jones is the puppeteer - Garrett hasn't turned wooden, yet. I just hope his nose doesn't get bent out of joint...