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DandyDon1722 · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

It'd be a mistake. Jason Garrett's an offensive guy. He's your head coach. He clearly wants to run his own offense. Bringing in Norv to cut his authority is the owner micromanaging the team.

The issue isn't scheme. It isn't coordinating. It isn't play calling. It's talent.

You bring in Norv and now you've accomplished nothing but create another issue. A puppet head coach.

If you want to fire Garrett, bring in Lovie Smith as head coach and HE, not the Jones twins, decides he wants Norv Turner to run his offense, I would have no problem with it. But not this way. If you retain Garrett, he needs to retain the power to run his own offense. Otherwise this is a charade.

I see what you're saying but isn't Garrett a disciple of Norv? Didn't he learn his offense while playing and don't you think he has adapted elements of that offense into his system? I don't think they are that far off in offensive philosophy.

craig71 · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

It'd be a mistake. Jason Garrett's an offensive guy. He's your head coach. He clearly wants to run his own offense. Bringing in Norv to cut his authority is the owner micromanaging the team.

The issue isn't scheme. It isn't coordinating. It isn't play calling. It's talent.

You bring in Norv and now you've accomplished nothing but create another issue. A puppet head coach.

If you want to fire Garrett, bring in Lovie Smith as head coach and HE, not the Jones twins, decides he wants Norv Turner to run his offense, I would have no problem with it. But not this way. If you retain Garrett, he needs to retain the power to run his own offense. Otherwise this is a charade.

I don't believe that common sense will quell this witch hunt.

Craig

Chocolate Lab · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Joe Rod

Hmmm, If my choices are JG or Norv....

Welcome back Norv!!!!!

Amen to that.

demdcowboys#1 · 01-10-2013

I'll take Norv, but NO MONTE KIFFIN! NO NO NO NO NO

LittleD · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Who gives a crap how old the COACH is?

They're COACHING, not PLAYING.

Get a freaking clue.

before spouting off...
You might look up where Kiffen's defenses have ranked in college football for the last 3 years... Nothing better than 50th and it's not like USC can't get blue chip players to come to their school. The game has passed Kiffen by and he had to fire himself before his son was forced to fire him.

Geez... Learn something before posting, dude...

Bowdown27 · 01-10-2013

I don't mind that much of us getting norv as much as getting kiffin. that would be awful. I just don't like how jerry still lives in the past.

Pessimist_cowboy · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Who gives a crap how old the COACH is?

They're COACHING, not PLAYING.

Get a freaking clue.

Gotta agree here , personally sometimes you wanna play hard for an old geezer . They have experience in big games kiffin and norv both have experience winning superbowls I wouldn't be opposed at all .

17yearsandcounting · 01-10-2013

lets get Wanny and put the band back together!! woooooooooo!!

Teague31 · 01-10-2013

Garrett and Norv run the same system. This isn't a move designed to change the offense, it's a move designed to allow Red to focus solely on being the head coach.

ykc · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by LittleD

before spouting off...
You might look up where Kiffen's defenses have ranked in college football for the last 3 years... Nothing better than 50th and it's not like USC can't get blue chip players to come to their school. The game has passed Kiffen by and he had to fire himself before his son was forced to fire him.

Geez... Learn something before posting, dude...

Monte was well respected when they won the SB, but the leagues has changed significanlty towards passing offense with 3 -4 WR sets and TE packages. I am not sure how well the old system works for the new offenses (pistol, option, spread), so I will be concerned if we hire Monte

mldardy · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

It'd be a mistake. Jason Garrett's an offensive guy. He's your head coach. He clearly wants to run his own offense. Bringing in Norv to cut his authority is the owner micromanaging the team.

The issue isn't scheme. It isn't coordinating. It isn't play calling. It's talent.

You bring in Norv and now you've accomplished nothing but create another issue. A puppet head coach.

If you want to fire Garrett, bring in Lovie Smith as head coach and HE, not the Jones twins, decides he wants Norv Turner to run his offense, I would have no problem with it. But not this way. If you retain Garrett, he needs to retain the power to run his own offense. Otherwise this is a charade.

The issue is definitely playcalling. The talent is there except for the oline but the playcalling at the beginning of games, inside the red zone, clock management is terrible. That to me is an issue with Garrett trying to coach the game, game situations and call plays. He can't do it. In 2 1/2 seasons he has proven he can't do it. Bring someone in to call the plays and let Garrett worry about coaching the game: when to call timeouts, when to throw the challenge flag, etc. It is too much for Garrett.

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Teague31

Garrett and Norv run the same system. This isn't a move designed to change the offense, it's a move designed to allow Red to focus solely on being the head coach.

But he doesn't want to focus solely on being a head coach. He wants to run his offense.

Anytime management is telling the head coach how to run his team, you have a debacle on your hands.

CowboyStar88 · 01-10-2013

I would not be thrilled with this move at all. Tell me how this works in Romo's favor? It's the same offense that JG runs. Norv has been a complete failure since leaving Dallas outside of his what 1-2 years he spent in SF? Really what changes? What changes on the line? what blocking are they going to run? What is going to be the staple of this offense that is different than JG? Honestly after 6 years of JG do you really believe Romo is a great timing based QB? I am not so sure he is. I think the elements of a WCO fits Romo, quick routes quick reads move around in the pocket mixed with zone blocking. I think Miles would benefit from the WCO and so would a guy like Hanna. I don't see what you gain bringing in Norv maybe I am missing something here.

Risen Star · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by mldardy

The issue is definitely playcalling. The talent is there except for the oline

**Idgit** · 01-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

But he doesn't want to focus solely on being a head coach. He wants to run his offense.

Anytime management is telling the head coach how to run his team, you have a debacle on your hands.

Maybe JG's sincere in that he'll take any opportunity to improve the team because that's his primary responsibility. He might think he's a great play caller, but Norv is one of the few who's clearly better. In that context, he can bring him in without any debacle whatsoever. If Norv wants to come here, that is.