New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by CashMan

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

That same great man also once said:

"You know, for a long time I have been of the opinion that artists don't necessarily know what they're doing. You don`t necessarily know what kind of universal concept you're tapping into."

~Leonard Nimoy~

[Aussie Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Kids his age should be vaccinated and are classified as "high risk" for developing potential flu-related complications.

Managing an allergic reaction is far easier than managing the potential severe consequences that could arise with the flu. The risk for allergic reaction is small because the amount of egg protein is incredibly small.

The benefits of the flu shot far outweigh the risks even in patients with egg allergy. It was in the news not too long ago where some research came out about the flu shot likely being safe for egg allergic populations. The study followed a bunch of people with previous severe allergic reactions to consuming eggs and the rate of reaction was so small it was pretty shocking. Also, none of the reaction from the shot were severe and were basically only hives and such.

[View Full Quote][View Full Quote] Hospitals require employees to be vaccinated and undergo annual TB skin testing. They do it because hospital patients often times have compromised immune systems and the flu can flat out kill them.

Kids of this age are at a high risk and the risk increases the younger you get. If this kid has contact with infants or other children under the age of two through an after school program he should be vaccinated. Even if they share classrooms and he doesn't contact these children directly, if he were to get the flu he's going to be spreading it all throughout the common area.

Its offensive as a parent seeing someone w/o children try and relate for a second on this topic.

Hoof, nothing personal, but you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You have no children nor bond to even try to understand where a parent is coming from when they say you will not vaccinate my child. You will not stick my child w/ things I do not support.

My son has never had a flu shot in his life, nor I. We are never sick nor never get sick. We might get a cold, but probably far less than most.

So please, don't sit here and tell us how the flu shot is some savior, when it has never been proven, but has been proven to have complications.

Thanks

Thank you for your reply I could not agree more, as the father of an autistic 4 y.o boy that may or may not have been vaccine affected this is a very sensitive issue and for those without any skin in the game, well they should just butt out in my view, all due respect.


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[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by vta

Pharma companies funnel millions into R&D, they have to recoup that and yes it is and should be a concern. You'd be amazed at how much a company will spend in simple advertising for an antacid, think about it when it comes to more expensive pharmaceuticals.

I've read the cost it takes to develop a single drug from a pool of candidates is like 800M - 1B.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Aussie Cowboy

Thank you for your reply I could not agree more, as the father of an autistic 4 y.o boy that may or may not have been vaccine affected this is a very sensitive issue and for those without any skin in the game, well they should just butt out in my view, all due respect.


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I my son is autistic as well and he didn't show signs of it until after he was his vaccination. We didn't draw any connection to it until years later after some reports. We don't blame that but we still don't know.

[DFWJC]

The US does not test people or kids for possible side affects to immunizations and vaccines.

My In-laws have a close freind who moved here 25 years ago from Israel. They had two daughters who were fairly young (I think maybe 3rd or 4th grade range) who got the full immunization suite. One of the daughters got almost fatally ill from it...and it was confirmed that she had massive side effects from the shots. She has been ill with various blood disorders and organ issues for 25 years now. She's a smart and lovely girl but she is currently on her death bed.
Brutal stuff.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by CashMan

A great man once said:

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Spock wasn't a man, he was Klingon. And it was fiction so there ya go.

Captain Kirk even called him on that BS in the next move,"Because the needs of the one... outweigh the needs of the many."

[KLJ]

vaccination dicussions are always a hoot.

i always picture people sitting in front of their computers with tinfoil on their heads.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by KLJ

vaccination dicussions are always a hoot.

i always picture people sitting in front of their computers with tinfoil on their heads.

How many children do you have?

[KLJ]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

How many children do you have?

6.. why does it matter?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by KLJ

6.. why does it matter?

It should. Unless you are the type of parent that thinks the government knows what's best for your kids more than you do.

[KLJ]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

It should. Unless you are the type of parent that thinks the government knows what's best for your kids more than you do.

look, give your kids the shot or don't. i don't care either way. (as a matter of fact, i think the school overreacted by not letting this 4 year old back in class)

i just think the drama that always comes up regarding vaccinations is pure hilarity. i find anything conspiracy related to be very entertaining. didn't mean to offend.

[Hoov]

one poster mentioned that in NJ the state mandates all preschools in NJ require all kids attending to get the flu shot/vaccine.

If that is the case the school didnt have an option. They are following a state mandate.

There really is nothing else that the family can do except lobby to get that changed.

But in the meantime they have to follow the regulations or dont have their kid attend.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by KLJ

look, give your kids the shot or don't. i don't care either way. (as a matter of fact, i think the school overreacted by not letting this 4 year old back in class)

i just think the drama that always comes up regarding vaccinations is pure hilarity. i find anything conspiracy related to be very entertaining. didn't mean to offend.

Why would you find a parents concerns over medicating their children hilarious?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

one poster mentioned that in NJ the state mandates all preschools in NJ require all kids attending to get the flu shot/vaccine.

If that is the case the school didnt have an option. They are following a state mandate.

There really is nothing else that the family can do except lobby to get that changed.

But in the meantime they have to follow the regulations or dont have their kid attend.

Thats the point entirely. The government mandating such a thing. They are over stepping their bounds.

[Hoov]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

It should. Unless you are the type of parent that thinks the government knows what's best for your kids more than you do.

In some cases they do - there are plenty of wackjob parents out there that would do things you and i think are crazy and harmful so standards are set in place - some are better than others.

In this case it would appear that the mandate is created with concern over the health of children attending preschool and based on oppinions of those in the medical field.

There may be some conflicting evidence pertaining to the flu shot and outcomes; most of those working in the medical field think the benefits far outweigh the risks. Based on those findings at this present time the state gov of NJ has decided to make a mandate backed by medical oppinion. I would agree that they are erring on the side of caution.

But, Since we are talking about public schools and not private schools the state does have the authority to make such a mandate.