Kiffin would ensure another rebuild in 2 or 3 years - Dallas Cowboys Forum

T-RO · 01-11-2013

Jerry Jones blew up the Cowboys of yesterday. He torched today. And he's rigging the future with more pyrotechnics of self destruction.

Not only is Jerruh building a ridiculous deficit into our future salary cap, which will handicap us in future free agency signings...

Not only is he strip mining the team and fanbase of trust, hope, and a sense of direction..

If he brings Kiffin in as DC...he will only will be bringing in a dino to coach in a league that has passed him by...Worse...he'll insure that (one way or another) we'll be transitioning to still yet another coordinator (with a new philosophy/system) in 2015 or 2016.

At age 72, with the stresses and physical demands on all NFL coaches-- how long does anyone expect Kiffin to seriously be around?

So if Kiffin is here...I'll already be wondering who is next...in this absurd procession of Jerry Jones and his GROTESQUE machinations. And if Jason isn't fired...and doesn't resign from his post...I worry for the man's very soul.

Seriously...this is reminding me of some Roman emperor who was not only egomanical but senseless, jaded, worthless, and hopelessly corrupt.

Dallas71 · 01-11-2013

This post is completely inaccurate. Age and experience is a good thing, not the other way around. Just look at how quickly Monte's own son, a "young and hot coaching candidate" at one time, can destroy a pro franchise or college program. Lane just needs a few weeks to do this.

Jason Garrett as OC with no experience?

Sucks.

Jones is a dictator but this is a good move, along with the switch to the 4-3 again.

T-RO · 01-11-2013

The firing of Ryan and consideration of Kiffin

Reminds Me Very Much of

The firing of Jimmy and hiring of Barry Switzer.

dupree89 · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by T-RO

The firing of Ryan and consideration of Kiffin

Reminds Me Very Much of

The firing of Jimmy and hiring of Barry Switzer.

Jerry Jones no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. He has 100% earned having most fans question his ability to be a GM, question his willingness to do whatever it takes to win, question his constant need for approval and question his sanity.

Tom Jackson, once a very good LB for the Broncos and someone who generally doesnt try for "shock value" on TV, summed it up: "how can I pick the Cowboys? How can I think Dallas is going to win when Jerry Jones is running the team?" When he says that....you know its bad.

The world is laughing at our team.

Boyz981 · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by T-RO

The firing of Ryan and consideration of Kiffin

Reminds Me Very Much of

The firing of Jimmy and hiring of Barry Switzer.

LOL.... Kiffin can coach, he will have somebody on the staff that will be ready to take over in a few years!

windward · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by T-RO

The firing of Ryan and consideration of Kiffin

Reminds Me Very Much of

The firing of Jimmy and hiring of Barry Switzer.

Except Rob Ryan has never really done much as a coordinator and Kiffin has.

Shinywalrus · 01-11-2013

I'm not sure if I agree yet or not - still thinking about it - but I am interested to hear what those who are strongly behind Garrett think of this. My impression has been that the story behind Garrett (among supporters) is the ability to build a long-term dynasty behind a a young, high potential head coach who is building a long-term culture.

I don't see that myself, but I understand it. I can't see how Kiffin fits into that idea, unfortunately. This feels stopgap, it doesn't feel consistent with the long-term vision.

It seems odd.

InmanRoshi · 01-11-2013

Talk about being completely untethered to reality in the NFL.

If you think any coordinator is staying here 5 years, you really don't follow the NFL very closely. The average tenure of any coordinator is 2-3 years, because coaches either move on to HC jobs, get fired, or get thrown out with the rest of the staff when there is a HC change (which there very well could be what happens next offseason).

You think Lovie was going to be a long timer here? Assuming he competently did his job, he was leaving next offseason for a HC gig.

If you don't think Garrett is a good HC, this entire defensive coordinator discussions should be completely irrelevant to you .... because you think the Cowboys are going to fail next year regardless of who the DC is, and we'll be looking for a completely new staff anyway (unless you support Jerry forcing existing coordinators on the next offseason coach).

InmanRoshi · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Shinywalrus

I'm not sure if I agree yet or not - still thinking about it - but I am interested to hear what those who are strongly behind Garrett think of this. My impression has been that the story behind Garrett (among supporters) is the ability to build a long-term dynasty behind a a young, high potential head coach who is building a long-term culture.

I don't see that myself, but I understand it. I can't see how Kiffin fits into that idea, unfortunately. This feels stopgap, it doesn't feel consistent with the long-term vision.

It seems odd.

Garrett has to win next year or he's fired. The entire staff is potentially "stop gap" at the moment, no matter who is hired.

Shinywalrus · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

This logic is completely untethered to reality in the NFL.

If you think any coordinator is staying here 5 years, you ....really don't follow the NFL. The average tenure of any coordinator is 2-3 years, because coaches either move on to HC jobs, get fired, or get thrown out with the rest of the staff when there is a HC change (which there very well could be next offseason).

You think Lovie was going to be a long timer? Assuming he competently did his job, he was leaving next offseason for a HC gig.

That's a little misleading, although I absolutely agree that it's not materially different from a Lovie Smith scenario. If you've ever been part of an organization, continuity has more to do with being there than what specific position you were in.

The average length of time-in-position for DCs may be short, but most DCs were members of their respective staffs for several years prior to that. Bringing in a hired gun with a 2-3 year maximum expectation would be more disruptive than average without question. It's especially disruptive since you get the impression that the idea behind having Garrett in the first place is that you'd end up with a slightly more stable organization of "his" guys, even if their roles shifted somewhat over time.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. There is some internal inconsistency in the messaging, though.

Shinywalrus · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Garrett has to win next year or he's fired. The entire staff is potentially "stop gap" at the moment, no matter who is hired.

That may be, but you can't build a team or staff with that expectation in mind.

InmanRoshi · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Shinywalrus

That's a little misleading, although I absolutely agree that it's not materially different from a Lovie Smith scenario. If you've ever been part of an organization, continuity has more to do with being there than what specific position you were in.

The average length of time-in-position for DCs may be short, but most DCs were members of their respective staffs for several years prior to that. Bringing in a hired gun with a 2-3 year maximum expectation would be more disruptive than average without question. It's especially disruptive since you get the impression that the idea behind having Garrett in the first place is that you'd end up with a slightly more stable organization of "his" guys, even if their roles shifted somewhat over time.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. There is some internal inconsistency in the messaging, though.

Considering Monte Kiffin's coaching tree has more branches than an elm, it's not going to be very hard to go out and find another experienced DC in the system when the time comes to replace him and keep continuity. There's a metric ton of guys out there who have run this defense under Dungy, Kiffin or both. Heck, as I explained in another post, he could very likely he could go out tomorrow and fill his assistant staff with 2 former NFL head coaches and a multiple time NFL defensive coordinator, so there will likely be a bevy of experienced and capable guys who could just be promoted from within on his own staff.

You're just considering this self imagined scenerio where Monte Kiffin is going to come up and have no staff, while some theoretical "young gun" is going to have a staff full of young potential DCs ready to take his place if he gets a HC job. I could make up a completely different scenerio where this theoretical "young gun" goes has a good year, because a hot name because he's young and has the magical "it", takes half his staff with him to his next job and the Cowboys are left to promote from within with a bunch of left over assistants who barely learned how to shave that are going to oversee Romo's twilight years.

dfense · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by T-RO

Jerry Jones blew up the Cowboys of yesterday. He torched today. And he's rigging the future with more pyrotechnics of self destruction.

Not only is Jerruh building a ridiculous deficit into our future salary cap, which will handicap us in future free agency signings...

Not only is he strip mining the team and fanbase of trust, hope, and a sense of direction..

If he brings Kiffin in as DC...he will only will be bringing in a dino to coach in a league that has passed him by...Worse...he'll insure that (one way or another) we'll be transitioning to still yet another coordinator (with a new philosophy/system) in 2015 or 2016.

At age 72, with the stresses and physical demands on all NFL coaches-- how long does anyone expect Kiffin to seriously be around?

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50% of fans want to make wholesale changes. 50% want to g with the status quo year after year.

Redball Express · 01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by T-RO

The firing of Ryan and consideration of Kiffin

Reminds Me Very Much of

The firing of Jimmy and hiring of Barry Switzer.

At least got another Sb for us with those players. Thank goodness.

The glass is not half empty with these moves. If Redball Garrett is going to be staying for another 2-3 years which I now expect..he needs all the experience he can get to fill in.

Besides, look around, very few teams don't not go thru complete rebuild every 4 years or so.

That's what is going on.

Try to add a little water to that half-empty glass and live a little.

RedBaLL ExPreSS

EGG · 01-11-2013

Don't know if I approve or disapprove of hiring Kiffin yet, but I will say that defensive success in today's NFL requires a strong front seven so you can play two deep/ cover two(or whatever configuration, so long as you can have extra bodies roaming the secondary).