Kiffin would ensure another rebuild in 2 or 3 years

[HoustonFrog]

I look at all of this as "on the fly" and very unorganized. I don't mind a new D Coordinator. I'm hoping for an O Coordinator. I was hoping for a new coach...but oh well. The reality is that Jerry was peeved and wanted to flex some muscle so he got rid of Ryan. The issue is they didn't have anything in mind so now it is all guess work. As someone said above, this is temporary for now. If JG loses, they all go and a new coach gets his own staff. If he wins, then he has guys in place that aren't bolting for a HC job. That simple to me. But the means to get here has been pretty embarrassing.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Shinywalrus

That may be, but you can't build a team or staff with that expectation in mind.

Reality should always be the focal backdrop of every decision.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

I look at all of this as "on the fly" and very unorganized. I don't mind a new D Coordinator. I'm hoping for an O Coordinator. I was hoping for a new coach...but oh well. The reality is that Jerry was peeved and wanted to flex some muscle so he got rid of Ryan. The issue is they didn't have anything in mind so now it is all guess work. As someone said above, this is temporary for now. If JG loses, they all go and a new coach gets his own staff. If he wins, then he has guys in place that aren't bolting for a HC job. That simple to me. But the means to get here has been pretty embarrassing.

He went out and immediately, without hesitation or delay, got his man who would be a Hall of Famer if they allowed pure assistant coaches in. Seems the polar opposite of on the fly. Seems like they had a pretty clear objective in mind and are going out and executing it.

You just perceive it as "on the fly" because it suits your existing confirmation bias of "typical Jerry". You would be saying the same exact thing if they went out and interviewed a lot of guys, because that would indicate indecisiveness and lack of game plan, and that would be "typical Jerry". If Lovie Smith got a HC coach somewhere you would say he just didn't want to coach for the Cowboys, and that would be "typical Jerry". If they kept Rob Ryan, you would be complaining about keeping status quo on an 8-8 season, and that wold be "typical Jerry". No matter what move the Cowboys made, it was going to fit into your pre-existing confirmation bias.

[Risen Star]

Three reasons not to like this move.

1. Switching back to a 4-3, which IMO is an inferior scheme.

2. Age. There's no telling how much fire he still has.

And the single biggest reason,

3. This was a Jerry move to once again undermine his own head coach. Fans will be appeased by the names coming in and ignore the fact the our supposed leader in the locker room was emasculated in the process. Then they'll wonder why that same head coach doesn't have the attention of his players next year. Bad Garrett. He needs to go.

[mahoneybill]

Originally Posted by Boyz981

LOL.... Kiffin can coach, he will have somebody on the staff that will be ready to take over in a few years!

Dick LeBeau is 75 and still going strong.

There are some " old dogs" that can still hunt....

P.S. I am an old dog myself....

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Three reasons not to like this move.

1. Switching back to a 4-3, which IMO is an inferior scheme.

2. Age. There's no telling how much fire he still has.

And the single biggest reason,

3. This was a Jerry move to once again undermine his own head coach. Fans will be appeased by the names coming in and ignore the fact the our supposed leader in the locker room was emasculated in the process. Then they'll wonder why that same head coach doesn't have the attention of his players next year. Bad Garrett. He needs to go.

I think it was obvious that Garrett had the players attention this year. They played hard. I think getting rid of Ryan can send a message, "his body of work wasn't good enough so he was let go....same will happen to players. We expect a quality product here in Dallas."

Ryan was not a good DC, with or without injuries.

[Teague31]

Yes rob Ryan was the sum and substance of the Dallas cowboys...

[cml750]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

I think it was obvious that Garrett had the players attention this year. They played hard. I think getting rid of Ryan can send a message, "his body of work wasn't good enough so he was let go....same will happen to players. We expect a quality product here in Dallas."

Ryan was not a good DC, with or without injuries.

First I have no problem with getting rid of Ryan. A 3 - 4 coach who doesn't blitz isn't any good. That being said, it is kind of hard for Garrett to say Ryan's body of work wasn't good enough when his own body of work has been pathetic.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by cml750

That being said, it is kind of hard for Garrett to say Ryan's body of work wasn't good enough when his own body of work has been pathetic.

Dallas Cowboys offensive rank = #6
Dallas Cowboys defensive rank = #19

[noshame]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

I think it was obvious that Garrett had the players attention this year. They played hard. I think getting rid of Ryan can send a message, "his body of work wasn't good enough so he was let go....same will happen to players. We expect a quality product here in Dallas."

Ryan was not a good DC, with or without injuries.

Had the players attention? Constant false starts, blown routes, blown blocking asignments, flat showings. Jeez people.

[cml750]

Originally Posted by zrinkill

Dallas Cowboys offensive rank = #6
Dallas Cowboys defensive rank = #19

Please don't tell me you think Jason did a good job as OC?

[RamziD]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Considering Monte Kiffin's coaching tree has more branches than an elm, it's not going to be very hard to go out and find another experienced DC in the system when the time comes to replace him and keep continuity. There's a metric ton of guys out there who have run this defense under Dungy, Kiffin or both. Heck, as I explained in another post, he could very likely he could go out tomorrow and fill his assistant staff with 2 former NFL head coaches and a multiple time NFL defensive coordinator, so there will likely be a bevy of experienced and capable guys who could just be promoted from within on his own staff.

[View Full Quote]You're just considering this self imagined scenerio where Monte Kiffin is going to come up and have no staff, while some theoretical "young gun" is going to have a staff full of young potential DCs ready to take his place if he gets a HC job. I could make up a completely different scenerio where this theoretical "young gun" goes has a good year, because a hot name because he's young and has the magical "it", takes half his staff with him to his next job and the Cowboys are left to promote from within with a bunch of left over assistants who barely learned how to shave that are going to oversee Romo's twilight years.

IR, I'm interested to hear your take on the personnel we currently have to run a 4-3 and what we would be looking to upgrade through FA and draft. Thanks.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

He went out and immediately, without hesitation or delay, got his man who would be a Hall of Famer if they allowed pure assistant coaches in. Seems the polar opposite of on the fly. Seems like they had a pretty clear objective in mind and are going out and executing it.

[View Full Quote] You just perceive it as "on the fly" because it suits your existing confirmation bias of "typical Jerry". You would be saying the same exact thing if they went out and interviewed a lot of guys, because that would indicate indecisiveness and lack of game plan, and that would be "typical Jerry". If Lovie Smith got a HC coach somewhere you would say he just didn't want to coach for the Cowboys, and that would be "typical Jerry". If they kept Rob Ryan, you would be complaining about keeping status quo on an 8-8 season, and that wold be "typical Jerry". No matter what move the Cowboys made, it was going to fit into your pre-existing confirmation bias.

You know what is becoming tiring? Posts like this. I wish people would stop making every other post a "you have an agenda post" because they don't like differing ideas out there. As a franchise there are some pretty big trends the last 16 years and some of them involve moves like this.

Posts that attack the messenger without knowing anything about them. You think you have all the answers and after 16 years are still content so if anyone has any different opinions you go into attack mode. Please stop. Its not a real opinion, is patently FALSE and is embarrassing. It's a message board with varying degrees of opinions so stop acting like you know everyone's thought process.

I've stuck up for Jerry many times on this board. I love him as an owner and think he has some nice recent drafts. I don't like many of his other GM type moves though. So I'm split. So there is no agenda as to Jerry here. I also am a Romo fan. So it isn't a constant negative with me. I'm looking at these situations constructively and comprehensively.

You say they had their man yet Jerry hadn't even decided to fire Ryan until they all talked this week. As of right now Kiffen isn't hired. There was reports of other candidates right after the firing and Kiffen wasn't one of them. Just like the whole idea of bringing in an OC. IMHO this is Jerry at his worst, not the things I respect about him as mentioned above. This is reactionary and to make a splash rather than thinking through the issue. A perfect example includes the games he mentioned regarding his reasoning. Games where Romo turned the ball over and put the D in a hole. He doesn't even mention the 6-8 games where the offense failed completely to start games and the D had to cover until we got into 4th quarter comeback mode. To me if you are going to hold people accountable, do it evenly, across the board.

Again, my opinion on this one issue. This looks reactionary to me.

Also, I live in Chciago and have Bears fans talking to me daily about Lovie's D and how its run. If they are running any hybrid of it than you need competent safety play...which we don't have...and have different corners than we just spent money on. I'm not sure our personnel fits. Legit questions.

[zrinkill]

Originally Posted by cml750

Please don't tell me you think Jason did a good job as OC?

I think he is good OC but a poor play caller. The only thing that is "wrong" with our offense is the play calling and the scheme does not take advantage of our QB's strengths.

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by noshame

Had the players attention? Constant false starts, blown routes, blown blocking asignments, flat showings. Jeez people.

I expect there will be changes on offense as well, the defense overall was going no where under Ryan.