We are raising a generation of deluded narcissists

[DallasCowpoke]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

But maybe even more, I wonder how much of this is caused by all the PC "self-esteem" training that has gone on in schools and elsewhere for so long now. Don't give grades because kids who get a bad one will feel bad about themselves... That kind of thing.

My sentiments 100%! A few other things that have bothered me for a long time.

1) Having kids participate in a team sport, then not keeping score.
2) "Time outs".
3) Graduations from ANY grade lower than High School!

[Galian Beast]

VTA - Education was an example. Everything is eroding is eroding for a reason. To presume that reason without giving facts, and simply giving an opinion is confirmation bias.

ABQCOWBOY - My point is that the field experience gained from having a child apparently is worthless to you if your opinion is that the majority of people are not raising their children right. You could raise a child every day, but be completely unqualified to do so versus having no children of your own, but being better suited towards parenthood.

And I was referring to the facts presented on the topic at hand.

It means after this, therefore because of this.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

And now another student comes, and bumps you off the relay team. And now you aren't on the track team at all... despite all your hard work the others work just as hard. I suppose now you're a failure... despite your original standing as superior and all of your hard work... Yikes.

Unlikely. A HS track season is really only going to last 4 months or so. I mean, seriously, how many world class sprinters/students do you think relocate in a single track season? However, if that very unlikely event were to materialize, it is logical to assume that if I'm a 10 flat 100 meter guy, the track coach is going to find me a place on the track team. Somebody else may get bumped, maybe a person who isn't working nearly as hard as I am to make the team but I won't be bumped. In the almost impossible event that by some Universal misfortune, there are 4 sub 10 flat 100 meter guys who just happen to transfer into town during track season, and the rest of the entire team advances to the point that a 10 flat led foot like myself is just not good enough and everybody else on the team is better then me and there is no longer a spot for me on the team, then there's always Baseball.

I know that I can run, I know that I can field and I know that I can hit. At some point, it occurs to me that I might have been wasting my time with Track and Field when I could have been an All Star all this time.

If for some unfathomable reason, the Baseball team starts showing up all these remarkable athletes from out of district and they are three deep at every position with transfers that are better then I am, then I guess I will just have to go out and find myself a job that I can work and make money at. I mean, in my family, if you weren't playing a sport or in some other kind of activity, then you had to work in the family business. That was concrete when I was growing up and we really never got paid for that. That was how our Mom's all instilled the right kind of ethic into us at the time. So, you went out and got your own job if you weren't in sponsored activities. Now, since it doesn't really matter how fast you run if your working, I'd imagine that I wouldn't have to worry too much about sub 10 flat transfer students.

What else you got?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

ABQCOWBOY - My point is that the field experience gained from having a child apparently is worthless to you if your opinion is that the majority of people are not raising their children right. You could raise a child every day, but be completely unqualified to do so versus having no children of your own, but being better suited towards parenthood.

I do not recall stating an opinion which echos these statements. If you have it, please, help me to understand.

However, since you bring it up, yes I suppose that COULD be the case. You could have parents that are not good parents and you could have people that do not have children, no experience and they could be better suited to being parents but that was never the question was it?

The question was: Would you say that people, on the whole, who have never had children, because of the lack of that exprience, are better suited to speak on this question of Generational behavior because they have never had the experience of raising children?

That was the question.

And I was referring to the facts presented on the topic at hand.

I did present facts on the topic I was discussing. As far as the rest, well, I think you don't need me to comment on that. I think you have your hands full trying to defend your position against all these other posters as it is.

It means after this, therefore because of this.

Of course it does, but even in Latin, it still is not a fact. It's still your opinion and nothing more.

[vta]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

VTA - Education was an example. Everything is eroding is eroding for a reason. To presume that reason without giving facts, and simply giving an opinion is confirmation bias.

You seem to have a pretty slack definition of just what facts are, or you're confusing facts with opinions.

It's not my opinion that SAT scores have declined to their lowest levels, or that America has slipped down to 17 on the global scale of educational rankings. The same goes for economic situation, health, etc. These are facts, not ideas propagated by me.

If you contend that I'm wrong, that education is in fact rising, that our economy is in fact healthy, by all means provide your own facts.

[ABQCOWBOY]

For the record Galian, my opinion on this subject is probably too politically charged to discuss on the board.

However, if you would like to discuss my thoughts on this, you can certainly feel free to PM me and I would be happy to discuss the subject with you.

[Galian Beast]

ABQ - I would say that raising children doesn't give you better insight on the differences between generations.

What facts did you present. I'd love to see them.

It's not an opinion its a matter of logic.

VTA - Why are you so easily confused, I'm not arguing the facts in regards to lower SAT scores, rather the cause of lower scores. And the cause of the other things you mentioned.

[vta]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

ABQ - I would say that raising children doesn't give you better insight on the differences between generations.

What facts did you present. I'd love to see them.

It's not an opinion its a matter of logic.

VTA - Why are you so easily confused, I'm not arguing the facts in regards to lower SAT scores, rather the cause of lower scores. And the cause of the other things you mentioned.

You're not arguing anything, except others' opinions. You haven't mentioned a cause for lower scores at all, and neither have I. There hasn't been a counter argument for anything, except your commentary on the psychological breakdown of how others came by their conclusions and claims that people are confused.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

ABQ - I would say that raising children doesn't give you better insight on the differences between generations.

What facts did you present. I'd love to see them.

It's not an opinion its a matter of logic.

VTA - Why are you so easily confused, I'm not arguing the facts in regards to lower SAT scores, rather the cause of lower scores. And the cause of the other things you mentioned.

Again, not what I asked. I very specifically asked you if you believed, based on your previous statements, if you felt as if people who had not raised children had better insight into Generational differences.

We already know you don't believe that raising children is important.

Are you going to continue to avoid the question?

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Signals

You forgot ethics in general and morality.

Yes I did, you are right, .. forgive me.

Especially morality, .. such a shame.

[Stryker44]

I'm in the education field. I think alot of this has to do with the sheer amount of social media and gadgets kids are raised on these days.

When I was in high school I didn't have a Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Skype, etc. The Internet was just coming into play. There were no iphones, ipods, ipads.

I think alot of these high tech toys sort of put kids in a bubble where they are encouraged to inflate their own self-esteem through their own deluded narcissism.

[WV Cowboy]

Earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that some parents are always telling their kids that they are special, that they are one of a kind, that they are the best, yada yada yada, .. even if they are really just average.

Which only promotes an egotistical self illusion.

I have been coaching for ~20 years now, so I have seen many things change, many things come and go over the years.

Let me tell you something that I just am starting to see, which blew me away.

I have one boy on my team whose Dad is about 5'8", and I can tell his parents told him how awesome he is, because he thinks he is awesome and was this great athlete, and college material in football. He will tell you all about it.

The Mom dresses and struts around like she is a '10' when she is more like a '4'. (no offense) I am sure her parents always told her she was beautiful and perfect.

Now here is the part that caught me off-guard. Their son is just like them, very average. He is a great kid who is just like they are, .. the spitting image of them, which is neat I think.

But since he is not "special" like their parents told them they were, or he is not "perfect" like their parents must have told them they were, or "one of a kind" like they think they are, .. they cut him down, always point out his weaknesses, and are generally always telling me how he comes up short.

Their self illusion / delusion of themselves has caused them to think he does not measure up, .. when he is just like they are.

I did not see that coming.

But it may be something that is starting with the generation that was always told that they were special and perfect and grew up believing it. They think they are perfect and wonderful, .. and the kid can't measure up to that. But neither do they actually.

[rynochop]

Eh, when we were kids everyone said similar stuff about us. We didn't have Atari in our day! We played outside!
It's a sign your getting old when this talk happens.ha

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Stryker44

I'm in the education field. I think alot of this has to do with the sheer amount of social media and gadgets kids are raised on these days.

When I was in high school I didn't have a Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Skype, etc. The Internet was just coming into play. There were no iphones, ipods, ipads.

I think alot of these high tech toys sort of put kids in a bubble where they are encouraged to inflate their own self-esteem through their own deluded narcissism.

I don't think that's it at all, because this didn't happen just now. It began happening with the generation born in the early to mid 80s and is extremely pronounced in the generation that was born in the late 80s to early 90s.

[arglebargle]

Wish I hadn't lost the list of 'Kids these days' quotes, some going back thousands of years. Most of them could be added to this thread, all with apparant applicability.