What exactly do people want?

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

Heading into this offseason, fans on here wanted change because the direction Dallas has been heading hasn't been getting them anywhere.

Jerry Jones promised things were going to be "uncomfortable" after an 8-8 season and then Skip Peete is let go, Ryan is replaced by Monte Kiffin and there are rumors that Jones is trying to get rid of John Garrett and wants his head coach to give up head coaching duties.

Now, people are mad that Jerry the GM is seemingly forcing these changes on his coach. Would everyone be happier if Jerry did nothing, Jason did nothing and everything remained like it was last year?

I know some here are going to always cry over anything Jerry does because they want to get rid of him. Obviously, that's not going to happen.

[View Full Quote]The best thing that could happen is for Garrett to voluntarily make these changes. Some might think it's best if Garrett was fired. But if those things are not going to happen, isn't it better to have Jerry the GM make changes than let everything remain the same?

Now, I don't know how many of these changes are Garrett's idea and how many are Jerry's, I'm just glad we're not standing pat. There is room for improvement in the way the defense was ran, and there's room for improvement in the way the offense was ran. I'm happy someone is trying to improve those things.

1. The defense to get healthy
2. Fix the offensive line
3. Add quality receiver and push Austin to the slot
4. Add defensive linemen
5. Take play calling away from Garrett and force him to be a head coach

Now we have

1. Brought in a new DC
2. Changed schemes which may predicate some retooling
3. Limited the ability to fix the offensive line by needing defenders
4. That trickles down throughout all the rest except
5. They will bring in an OC

What I wanted is now limited because of what Jones did.

[jobberone]

To go back to the SB a few more times before I die.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

You probably think that's a typo but you actually worded it right. Jerry does want the head coach to give up head coach duties. And that's the problem.

No, he doesn't, but that's where your Jerry hatred takes you.

There's no indication that Jones wanted anything more than for Garrett to succeed as a head coach and gave him the opportunity to do it his way. Keeping him as head coach says that Jones still believes in Garrett as a head coach, but he's stepping in as a GM to take away what he saw wasn't working ... Garrett's play-calling, if that's what Jones is doing.

If Garrett isn't willingly giving that up, then as a GM, Jerry should say,"Jason, you are the head coach I want for this team, but I'm going to have to replace you as play-caller because we're simply not getting it done."

Garrett has every right to say, I'm not comfortable with that, and Jones can move on. But Garrett also has the right to say Jones might be right and look for the best fit to work under him as head coach.

As a GM, Jones has the right to do this if he thinks it's best for the team. That is part of his job.

[Vanilla2]

It's a case of who the particular poster hates more.

You've got the conastant anti Jerry moaning vs all the anti Garrett groaning a d it just leads an unpleasant web forum experience.

And I'm not saying everyone has to like everything, but the copy and paste responses have gotten tedious to sift through.

[ScipioCowboy]

A better run organization.

I can't identify the specific reason for the stubborn malaise that won't leave Valley Ranch, but the evidence is undeniable: One playoff win in 16 years.

I know only that Jerry is the one constant and that, if recent reports are true, it doesn't help matter when you strong arm your coach to surrender certain duties.

[slomoxn]

I don't have any wants because it won't matter, but if I could make it matter... For Jerry to go away, hire a GM and let the and the coach run the team. I know, I know, for those who think Jerry is ok as GM my only argument to that is 17 years. I don't care who he drafts or picks up via fa, this guy is not a 5year plan GM he is a year to year OH S%#+ I screwed up so ill fix it next year GM. That s why he has no plan because it us formed at the end if each season.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

No, he doesn't, but that's where your Jerry hatred takes you.

There's no indication that Jones wanted anything more than for Garrett to succeed as a head coach and gave him the opportunity to do it his way. Keeping him as head coach says that Jones still believes in Garrett as a head coach, but he's stepping in as a GM to take away what he saw wasn't working ... Garrett's play-calling, if that's what Jones is doing.

If Garrett isn't willingly giving that up, then as a GM, Jerry should say,"Jason, you are the head coach I want for this team, but I'm going to have to replace you as play-caller because we're simply not getting it done."

Garrett has every right to say, I'm not comfortable with that, and Jones can move on. But Garrett also has the right to say Jones might be right and look for the best fit to work under him as head coach.

[View Full Quote]As a GM, Jones has the right to do this if he thinks it's best for the team. That is part of his job.

Nice story. I found it in the fiction section.

No GM in the league has any right to tell the coach how to coach his team. Do they communicate? Sure. Are suggestions made? Absolutely. But you don't force changes on your head coach unless you want a debacle with a powerless coach. You just fire him. Get another.

I am absolutely amazed we have fans here who think the answer to our problems today is more Jerry Jones. He needs to be more hands on. What in God's name do you need to see to understand that lunatic is the problem, not the answer?

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by gimmesix

Now, people are mad that Jerry the GM is seemingly forcing these changes on his coach. Would everyone be happier if Jerry did nothing, Jason did nothing and everything remained like it was last year?

Jason Garrett is the head coach. Period. I've soured on Garrett, primarily as a play caller and game day manager. But he's still the HC. If Jerry doesn't like what he sees, then fire JG but don't force coaching decisions on him.

Originally Posted by Plankton

No. It only serves to neuter the coach.

If the owner wants things changed, and the coach is not willing to do it himself, then he should fire the coach. The coach, ostensibly, has been hired to oversee what goes on on the field, and has control over his coaching staff and who plays each week. If the coach does not have autonomy over his staff, then you have two problems. One, the staff is not loyal to the coach, because he didn't hire them. Second, the players see that the head coach is not the strongest person in the room, and know that they can go around him.

[View Full Quote]I'm not the biggest Garrett fan around. That being said, if changes need to be made, then he needs to make them. If he wants a new DC, then he should pull the trigger. If he doesn't want to call plays anymore, then he needs to make the decision on that. If he wants to stand pat, then he should have the liberty to do so, or be removed from his position. If he is not the originator of the decision, and the owner/GM decides that he wants those changes, then he should fire the coach.

This. It couldn't have been written any clearer and I completely agree.......

[john van brocklin]

Originally Posted by RS12

I want to have hope that this team can compete for championships. Havent had that in a long time.

Sounds reasonable !!!

[cowboyeric8]

Originally Posted by Rynie

Just like you whine and moan about other posters. These are my favorite types of posts because Y'all never see the irony in it.

Or posters who have an unhealthy agenda.

[cowboyeric8]

Originally Posted by CowboysYanksLakers

Wow Rob Ryan didn't show up to meetings????

Was letting his assistants run them.

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Nice story. I found it in the fiction section.

No GM in the league has any right to tell the coach how to coach his team. Do they communicate? Sure. Are suggestions made? Absolutely. But you don't force changes on your head coach unless you want a debacle with a powerless coach. You just fire him. Get another.

I am absolutely amazed we have fans here who think the answer to our problems today is more Jerry Jones. He needs to be more hands on. What in God's name do you need to see to understand that lunatic is the problem, not the answer?

Most fans today don't know any different. They don't know the value of a strong coach that's the leader of the team because, barring BP's brief tenure, they've never seen it. They've seen Jerry and only Jerry so this is all they know.

Once you neuter the HC, you've got more problems than just the scheme, play calling or personnel. I too am amazed that fans can't or won't see it.

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by cowboyeric8

Was letting his assistants run them.

Was this reported somewhere? I've seen references to it on the board but didn't notice any links to an article but I may have missed it.

[cowboyeric8]

Originally Posted by Dodger12

Was this reported somewhere? I've seen references to it on the board but didn't notice any links to an article but I may have missed it.

They were talking about on one of the radio shows from dallascowboys.com

[john van brocklin]

Originally Posted by Soth

It's not personal. Not everyone wants Garrett gone. It's not about Garrett, it is about the failures of this team in the last 15+ years. No playoffs in the last 3 years. Someone posted the Jacksonville playoff record in the last 15 years and it is better than ours.

I think a lot of people have lost their patience with Jerry. I used to support him and I liked the fact that he really wanted to win. Now? I can't wait for him to step-down or retire. We all second guess every decision this team makes because they continue to fail year after year. We all love this team and it is difficult to watch them become such a mediocre franchise.

I have absolutely no confidence in Jerry and any decision he makes. In my opinion, he has lost touch with reality and is unable to understand the mistake s he makes.