What exactly do people want?

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

1. The defense to get healthy
2. Fix the offensive line
3. Add quality receiver and push Austin to the slot
4. Add defensive linemen
5. Take play calling away from Garrett and force him to be a head coach

Now we have

1. Brought in a new DC
2. Changed schemes which may predicate some retooling
3. Limited the ability to fix the offensive line by needing defenders
4. That trickles down throughout all the rest except
5. They will bring in an OC

What I wanted is now limited because of what Jones did.

Good post, and pretty much how I feel about the post-season to date.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Nice story. I found it in the fiction section.

No GM in the league has any right to tell the coach how to coach his team. Do they communicate? Sure. Are suggestions made? Absolutely. But you don't force changes on your head coach unless you want a debacle with a powerless coach. You just fire him. Get another.

I am absolutely amazed we have fans here who think the answer to our problems today is more Jerry Jones. He needs to be more hands on. What in God's name do you need to see to understand that lunatic is the problem, not the answer?

No one said more Jerry Jones is needed. Simply that Jones has the right to make decisions as the GM. That's why owners generally hire GMs and the GMs hire the coaches, because they are over the coaches.

You want a power structure where the head coach here is essentially also the GM. You're not going to get that. Instead, Jones will continue to be the GM and Garrett will continue to be in charge of coaching the team with the GM's input when necessary and sometimes when not necessary.

But I'm going to stop here. I understand your agenda is anti-Jones and I don't really have a problem with that. He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt.

[Primetime42]

[theogt]

No matter what is done, people will complain.

[Reality]

Originally Posted by theogt

No matter what is done, people will complain.

That was my point earlier

If Jerry stepped down and Stephen took over, but said he was going to be the GM as well, then the complaints would start again. If Jerry fired Garrett and hired Norv Turner or some other old retread or anyone other than one of their candidates, the complaints would start again. If Jerry had kept Ryan, then the complaints would have started again. If Jerry forces Garrett to give up play calling, the complaints will start again about his undermining of Garrett. If Jerry let's Garrett continue calling plays, the complaints will start again.

I just think fans need to complain about something to be happy and as fans, it's their right so more power to them.

All I can say is that if we had gone into next season without any non-player changes, it would have been an even longer off-season.

/reality

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Reality

That was my point earlier

If Jerry stepped down and Stephen took over, but said he was going to be the GM as well, then the complaints would start again. If Jerry fired Garrett and hired Norv Turner or some other old retread or anyone other than one of their candidates, the complaints would start again. If Jerry had kept Ryan, then the complaints would have started again. If Jerry forces Garrett to give up play calling, the complaints will start again about his undermining of Garrett. If Jerry let's Garrett continue calling plays, the complaints will start again.

I just think fans need to complain about something to be happy and as fans, it's their right so more power to them.

[View Full Quote]All I can say is that if we had gone into next season without any non-player changes, it would have been an even longer off-season.

/reality

If everything was rosy and we were all happy and agreeing on everything, your forum wouldn't have nearly as much traffic, so you should really embrace the different opinions we all have.

[Reality]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

If everything was rosy and we were all happy and agreeing on everything, your forum wouldn't have nearly as much traffic, so you should really embrace the different opinions we all have.

I think you missed my last line in my post

If I didn't believe everyone should have a right to post their opinions, a lot of threads wouldn't still be here

/reality

[DWhite Fan]

Originally Posted by newlander

.....I've NEVER been a Red basher: more like a JJ basher because he's CLUELESS...yes, millions of cowboys fans think he is a dolt and should step aside and hire someone that knows what theyr'e doing: educated guess!

The fans of the other 31 NFL teams think this about Jerry as well

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by Plankton

No. It only serves to neuter the coach.

If the owner wants things changed, and the coach is not willing to do it himself, then he should fire the coach. The coach, ostensibly, has been hired to oversee what goes on on the field, and has control over his coaching staff and who plays each week. If the coach does not have autonomy over his staff, then you have two problems. One, the staff is not loyal to the coach, because he didn't hire them. Second, the players see that the head coach is not the strongest person in the room, and know that they can go around him.

[View Full Quote]I'm not the biggest Garrett fan around. That being said, if changes need to be made, then he needs to make them. If he wants a new DC, then he should pull the trigger. If he doesn't want to call plays anymore, then he needs to make the decision on that. If he wants to stand pat, then he should have the liberty to do so, or be removed from his position. If he is not the originator of the decision, and the owner/GM decides that he wants those changes, then he should fire the coach.

you are low key but one of my favorite posters easily.

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by SWG9

You know what would make me happy?

Jerry Jones holding a press conference where he makes it clear that he's behind Garrett 100% and fully committed to him for the long term.

Jones and Garrett putting every player on notice, from Romo on down, that the last few seasons of mediocrity have been unacceptable and that it falls on them to get better.

An honest and brutal evaluation of every player on the roster and a significant roster shake up headed into 2013.

Competition at almost every position.

In short, a total end to the country club atmosphere that's destroyed this franchise.

But hey, I guess when Jerry said it was going to be "uncomfortable", he meant uncomfortable for the coaches, not the players. You know, God forbid we put any pressure on the same core that's underachieved for three different coaches so far (and soon to be four if things don't drastically get better)

[TwoDeep3]

The negativity would take a different form if Dallas was in the midst of a three out of four Super Bowl run.

But the homerism would be in full flower.

There is a reason to be negative. Sixteen seasons and nothing to show for it. Not one NFC Championship game and only one play-off win.

And this will continue and become worse as time wears on if the puzzle isn't solved how to turn this franchise around.

This isn't just a bunch of sour fans. I'd match my homerism for this team with anyone's back in the day. But sixteen years of slip-shod management will surely take some of the most optimistic fans and turn them to the dark side.

What gets me is the penchant for some to think this is wrong.

We are all stakeholders in this franchise if we purchase the products. Our goals are glory and championships.

The failure to even produce a competitive team that is truly in contention, and not this silly contention that seems to be flying around here.

Contention, that you have a legitimate shot at the SB.

Well, the 9ers do now. Not sure about the Ravens, if they really have a shot.

So as stakeholders, we have the right to complain. Now there may be a caveat that we don't have a right to complain on a private message board. That the owner is the one who sets the pace, and could very well dictate the terms of your posting and temperament of said posts.

Reality doesn't do this, of course.

But beyond that Jones owns a franchise that has millions of stakeholders. He doesn't have a public trust that is defined win or lose your ownership.

But we all have a piece of this as fans. Even if it is an emotional piece only.

Win and the dialog changes drastically.

Lose and it will continue to be this way.

Expecting the smell of roses when you're standing in a functioning cattle lot is absurd.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by cowboyeric8

To whine and moan regardless of what happens.

It really does get old and its the same folks with the same old whine and moan about everything. Its ridiculous!!

[Clove]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

I want a direction.

What are we doing? What's the plan? Does anyone know?

this...

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by Mansta54

It really does get old and its the same folks with the same old whine and moan about everything. Its ridiculous!!

Dude, there are a lot of good posts in here with legitimate requests for the franchise. Why is everything grouped in as "whining"???

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Zordon

Dude, there are a lot of good posts in here with legitimate requests for the franchise. Why is everything grouped in as "whining"???

Inconvenient truths= whining. The worst whining is about other posters though.