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Old 01-13-2013   #76
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if i was a D coordinator, i would just tell the players to just kill the QB, no reading whether he is running or pitching, first person on the contain just kill the QB. hes a running back at that point no roughing the QB involved, just keep hitting him. id like to see how long the OC's will keep calling it when their franchise it getting nailed every time they call the read option.
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Old 01-13-2013   #77
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I honestly don't think it's a necessarily matter of playing kill the quarterback. I think it's simply a matter of defensive linemen maintaining their gaps and quick linebackers who can play zone -- the exact opposite of what the Packers were doing.
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Old 01-13-2013   #78
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QB's who can run are a huge advantage i.e. R2D2, RW, CK & Cam. The R/O will go by the wayside. Defenses will work on it and that will be that.
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SEA and WAS out. Just SF left.
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Old 01-13-2013   #80
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Johnny Manziel Is gonna dominate in the NFL.
By the time Manziel get to the NFL the read option will be in the 5 minutes of game bucket with the wild cat
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Old 01-13-2013   #81
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We have Carter and Lee... Speedy LBers are the key to stopping that garbage.

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Old 01-13-2013   #82
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Old 01-13-2013   #83
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As said earlier, why not just blast the QB every time no matter what. Put him out of the game or make them stop running it that way.
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As said earlier, why not just blast the QB every time no matter what. Put him out of the game or make them stop running it that way.
The Begnals did this

Then RG3 adjusted.

Once he handed the ball off to Morris Grif would simply throw his hands up and run away from the hand off.

Defenses aren't going to be in the business of giving away 15 free yards every play.

RG3 never got injured on a read option play. His injuries were on scrambles from traditional passing sets, the concussion, the Ngata hit, the tweak in the 1st quarter against Seattle and the final play on a bad snap.
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The Begnals did this

Then RG3 adjusted.

Once he handed the ball off to Morris Grif would simply throw his hands up and run away from the hand off.

Defenses aren't going to be in the business of giving away 15 free yards every play.

RG3 never got injured on a read option play. His injuries were on scrambles from traditional passing sets, the concussion, the Ngata hit, the tweak in the 1st quarter against Seattle and the final play on a bad snap.
Just a matter of time. Hit him repeatedly until he can't get up.

RGis in for a short career.
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As said earlier, why not just blast the QB every time no matter what. Put him out of the game or make them stop running it that way.
Blasting the QB no matter what will incur multiple unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. The next step from there if it continues is ejections. I can't see any DC thinking that's a viable gameplan.
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I think it takes some willful ignorance of football history to assume any scheme is impossible to stop. Someone, somewhere will find a way.
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2 gap defenses is what originally came about to counter multiple option backfields. LBs were freed from having to make decisions and just followed the ball.

Problem there would be a lack of pass rush.
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I think it takes some willful ignorance of football history to assume any scheme is impossible to stop. Someone, somewhere will find a way.
I agree with the addition though that even though it is stoppable, when properly executed it can be as much of a staple in a playbook as a power run or deep ball. Some people make it sound like there is a magic bullet on defense to stop it, there isn't. DCs will study and learn what personnel package works best against it, then the OCs will have to find ways to attack the defense when its in that package. it is just part of the ongoing chess match in the nfl. Next year will be interesting to see if it proliferates, or whether the same few teams run it into the ground.


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Sure it sounds great to punish the QB every time, but there's no way this league is going to allow you to run in and crush the QB a second or two after he's handed it off. These offenses aren't quite like the old veer/wishbone options being run way down the line with the QB pitching it at the last second. Most of the time the QB is handing it off a few yards deep in the background, and if he does keep it, there's usually no pitch man.
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