Why all the Gruden love?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by wileedog

Last I checked Shanahan is a veteran, widely respected, Superbowl winning coach who just got his QB this season.

Garret is a no name coordinator with no prior HC experience (and very little other experience) who inherited a team with a bona fide QB in his prime.

But yeah, the situations were exactly the same.

Look he has not been very good but 'no name' is pretty ignorant. He was given several HC interviews and was offered a job for what that is worth. They know who he is by name.

[Hoofbite]

What record would be good enough from previous coaching jobs to be worth considering?

I'm always curious when people bring up his record because it isn't like there are guys with amazing winning percentages, skins on the wall and youth just waiting to be picked up. Teams seem to have a hard time letting those qualifications go for some reason.

Honestly just looking for some sort of agreeable area so as to make future discussions easier in that we can rule out anyone below a set point.


Perhaps people would like Gruden because he's won before. Even if we take the leap that Dungy built his team, lets throw out a few other implications of that argument.

1. Gruden had a chance because Dungy couldn't win with that team. At the very least management didn't think he could and based on the fact that Dungy only got 1 SB out of one of the best QBs to ever play, it's hard to argue he would have somehow put it all together with Brad Johnson.

2. If Dungy built Tampa, doesn't Gruden get credit for building Oakland? So basically he built one team into a Superbowl contender and then got another team over the hump?

3. If Dungy built Tampa, Parcells built the 2007 season. There's an interesting thought. This board is pretty polarized over him, having this Dungy example should make future discussions a little less argumentative regarding what Parcells did for the team now that we're going to carry following season successes and failures over to a new head coach.


Perhaps people think that Gruden wouldn't take the job as a puppet and in getting Gruden, you get less Jerry..........unlikely but I think it's not out of the realm of reality that a guy with a championship under his belt would accept unnecessary meddling when he could go elsewhere and not have to deal with it.

Or, perhaps people realize that Gruden worked under Al at one point which pretty much means if there's anyone capable of dealing with the nuisance, it might be Gruden.

Maybe though, people realize that Gruden has never had a QB as good as Romo and if he could win with the slop he had at QB, theres hope he could win with Romo.


The record argument cracks me up because there are times when members on this board seemingly ignore Garrett's lackluster start as a head coach because Jimmy or Landry had their fair share of growing pains. Somehow the successes of others from decades ago implies success in the future for Garrett.

Amazing coaching records aren't sitting at home next to the phone. Basing what a guy can do for you on a record that was built with largely inferior QB play seems like a pretty narrow perspective. Here's what we know about Gruden. With the right pieces he can win a championship.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

So why all the hub-bub about him in the 1st place if he's happy where he's at?

Citing people with knowledge of the situation, CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman reported Monday that Jon Gruden will interview with NFL teams about potential openings.

Freeman reported that a handful of teams have "quietly contacted" Gruden's camp in recent weeks, and representatives for the former Oakland Raiders and Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach have informed teams he'd be willing to talk after the regular season.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-coaching-jobs

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-coaching-jobs

And where's this flock of teams that everyone's lining up at his door?

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And where's this flock of teams that everyone's lining up at his door?

Perhaps he's waiting for a job he wants.

Dude's young and has a very cushy job right now. Time is on his side, he doesn't need to dive head first into a sewer just for the sake of being a coach again.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And where's this flock of teams that everyone's lining up at his door?

Common.sense should tell you some things don't reach the media. Don't you think trams try to keep these things private? How many teams want to go public with getting turned down? Did you brag about girls that wouldn't go out with you? You question the December meeting between Jerry and Gruden because it was just a rumor. Now you want rumors as evidence that Gruden has had job offers.

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

What record would be good enough from previous coaching jobs to be worth considering?

I'm always curious when people bring up his record because it isn't like there are guys with amazing winning percentages, skins on the wall and youth just waiting to be picked up. Teams seem to have a hard time letting those qualifications go for some reason.

Honestly just looking for some sort of agreeable area so as to make future discussions easier in that we can rule out anyone below a set point.


Perhaps people would like Gruden because he's won before. Even if we take the leap that Dungy built his team, lets throw out a few other implications of that argument.

[View Full Quote]1. Gruden had a chance because Dungy couldn't win with that team. At the very least management didn't think he could and based on the fact that Dungy only got 1 SB out of one of the best QBs to ever play, it's hard to argue he would have somehow put it all together with Brad Johnson.

2. If Dungy built Tampa, doesn't Gruden get credit for building Oakland? So basically he built one team into a Superbowl contender and then got another team over the hump?

3. If Dungy built Tampa, Parcells built the 2007 season. There's an interesting thought. This board is pretty polarized over him, having this Dungy example should make future discussions a little less argumentative regarding what Parcells did for the team now that we're going to carry following season successes and failures over to a new head coach.


Perhaps people think that Gruden wouldn't take the job as a puppet and in getting Gruden, you get less Jerry..........unlikely but I think it's not out of the realm of reality that a guy with a championship under his belt would accept unnecessary meddling when he could go elsewhere and not have to deal with it.

Or, perhaps people realize that Gruden worked under Al at one point which pretty much means if there's anyone capable of dealing with the nuisance, it might be Gruden.

Maybe though, people realize that Gruden has never had a QB as good as Romo and if he could win with the slop he had at QB, theres hope he could win with Romo.


The record argument cracks me up because there are times when members on this board seemingly ignore Garrett's lackluster start as a head coach because Jimmy or Landry had their fair share of growing pains. Somehow the successes of others from decades ago implies success in the future for Garrett.

Amazing coaching records aren't sitting at home next to the phone. Basing what a guy can do for you on a record that was built with largely inferior QB play seems like a pretty narrow perspective. Here's what we know about Gruden. With the right pieces he can win a championship.

Thank you Hoof. I was beginning to feel like some people are insane.

[ryanbabs]

Originally Posted by Hussein

I have no idea why so many people are in love with this guy. Ever since his SB win (granted he won one), with a team assembled by Dungy, he has a record of 45 - 51 with 2 wild-card losses in the first round.

That doesn't scream overwhelming success to me. No other team seems interested in him - so why should we?

Lets not forget he built up the Raiders too and ironically played them in the SB.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And where's this flock of teams that everyone's lining up at his door?

I just gave you an article from less than a month ago saying that multiple teams contacted him. That article is from NFL.com.

I normally like your takes but the article is pretty explicit about multiple teams contacting him.

[Risen Star]

I think both Gruden and Cowher are extremely picky about where they will coach next.

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

And where's this flock of teams that everyone's lining up at his door?

4 clubs so far...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...coach-openings

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

I just gave you an article from less than a month ago saying that multiple teams contacted him. That article is from NFL.com.

I normally like your takes but the article is pretty explicit about multiple teams contacting him.

This time of year you can [insert any HC/OC/DC's name] in a media article about a job opportunity and make it stick.

Gruden has been linked to the Cowboys for 3 years now and I've grown tired of same senseless media reported whatever they can to make story.

The day Gruden actually has a formal interview with one team I'll believe the stories but the facts are that the guy everyone covets hasn't gotten the time of day while his brother Jay seems to be the more popular Gruden in the family.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

This time of year you can [insert any HC/OC/DC's name] in a media article about a job opportunity and make it stick.

Gruden has been linked to the Cowboys for 3 years now and I've grown tired of same senseless media reported whatever they can to make story.

The day Gruden actually has a formal interview with one team I'll believe the stories but the facts are that the guy everyone covets hasn't gotten the time of day while his brother Jay seems to be the more popular Gruden in the family.

And you seem to be intent on a blanket dismissal despite proof to the contrary. With your paradigm any article is questionable and to be discounted. You wanted proof that teams talk to him and you were given it.

The article was explicit in saying that teams had contacted him and what the response was. There was no 'maybe,' 'possibility,' or other speculative language. It was declarative. You are saying they are lying essentially.

I don't want him here by any means but its not like he is a pariah.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by Silverstar

4 clubs so far...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...coach-openings

So now he "coveted" CAR? What happened to the Eagles job that Jaws lobbied for him?

But the structure wouldn't work for him:

Furthermore, getting the type of organizational flow chart Gruden would require, with in essence reporting directly to the owner (as Andy Reid has in with the Chiefs) did not appear to be possible in Carolina.

Unbelieavable.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

And you seem to be intent on a blanket dismissal despite proof to the contrary. With your paradigm any article is questionable and to be discounted. You wanted proof that teams talk to him and you were given it.

The article was explicit in saying that teams had contacted him and what the response was. There was no 'maybe,' 'possibility,' or other speculative language. It was declarative. You are saying they are lying essentially.

I don't want him here by any means but its not like he is a pariah.

I wanted proof of an interview, but it appears that the specific teams that Gruden wants to work for don't even want him in the first place.