Kiffin was a Garret hire

[links18]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

It's amazing that those that KNOW and have KNOWLEDGE seem to be different people on opposite sides of the coin.

Some saying Jerry made the Hire.

Some saying Jason made the Hire.

Just amazing that both sides are so confident in the knowledge of what they know.

Blind, bombastic confidence in one's opinions is fashionable these days. Might have something to do with that interwebs thing.....

Really, opinions are all we have at this point.

[erod]

Garrett move or not - and it very well may be - it isn't playing that way right now.

After all the changes to the staff are complete, we'll get a clearer picture.

We're just over-Jerry'd around here to think otherwise.

[AsthmaField]

Originally Posted by erod

Garrett move or not - and it very well may be - it isn't playing that way right now.

It doesn't really matter how it is "playing".

What matters is the truth.

[bigE79]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I find it amazing how many people just KNOW for a fact that it was Jason hire or Jerry's hire when the only fact is it is their opinions that it was Jason or Jerry's hire.

Some time down the road we will get the true story. Until that time all we have are opinions and it is magical how people are so sure their opinions are the right one in this matter and any one who does not agree is something similar to an ostrich with it's head in the sand or agenda driven.

I have yet to see any facts that convince me one way or the other of who's hire it was.

My GUESS and OPINION is that it could be a hire that BOTH agreed upon...and that could be good or bad for Jason depending on how it went down...IF it went down that way.

[View Full Quote]Again...time will tell and the truth will come out down the road. Until that time how about those that just KNOW that it was this guy's or that guy's hire talk about in as an opinion instead of acting like it is fact and everyone that does not agree with your Fact (opinion) is wrong.

Just something to consider.

I agree,i dont care who hired who,the only thing that matters is wins and losses and we wont know that for another 7 months, if we do good,its a JG hire,bad,JJ ****ed up again...rinse wash repeat.

[RGKN33]

If this is a Garrett move its even worse because that tells me Jason is closer to staying rather than going . I want him gone he is not a good coach .

[links18]

Originally Posted by AsthmaField

It doesn't really matter how it is "playing".

What matters is the truth.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

[dwarecwby311]

actually it was Lacewell's idea and Jerry listened and executed

[AsthmaField]

Originally Posted by links18

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

You need me on that wall!

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by dwarecwby311

actually it was Lacewell's idea and Jerry listened and executed

After a bottle of Maker's Mark no doubt.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by Coy

I am sorry but IMO to think this was a JG move and not a JJ move is not knowing how JJ operates the Dallas Cowboys.
Saying that I obviously think JG had some input on the move, but this has JJ written all over it, just ask Larry Lacewell, Jerry´s friend what he thinks of Kiffin.

Your reasoning is that since Larry Lacewell loves Kiffin, that there simply cannot be anyway that Garrett and Lacewell could like the same person as a D-Coordinator.

I don't really care if it was a Garrett or Jerry move. I'm even nonplussed on the move to begin with. But people having concluded that it must be a Jerry move to me says a lot about their blind hatred for Jerry as they are basing it on no evidence other than Larry Lacewell loves Kiffin.

Garrett was with the Bucs when Kiffin was their D-Coodinator.

I think it's obvious that Garrett didn't have the greatest relationship with Rob Ryan.

Jerry has repeatedly wanted the defense to stay in a 3-4.

Jerry was set to go after Lovie Smith after Parcells retired, but the Bears retained Smith.

If Jerry hired Smith, he would have had a head coach to replace Garrett if the team played poorly in 2013.

It's been pretty well known that Garrett has complex about dissention within his coaching staff as they fired Ray Sherman and Skip Peete. Kiffin presents no thread to Garrett as a head coach.

It's not exactly concrete proof, but it's more to go on than Lacewell, a guy who has always preferred a 4-3 faster player scheme who goes back to the Jimmy days where the organization instituted a fast, smaller player 4-3 scheme, just happens to like Kiffin who is probably the best 4-3 D-Coordinator in the past 15 years.

I don't like Lacewell as much as the next person, but I would expect him to love the hire because he's a 4-3 guy. I think he would have loved hiring Lovie Smith or just going back to the 4-3 full time, period.






YR

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Is this 'revelation' supposed to make us feel better or worse?

Rob Ryan was a 'Garrett hire' too.

Dave Shula was Jimmy hire that did not last long either. At that point it was not like we had a ton of talent on offense and just got rid of Walker so he had even less than he started with. He got fire and the next man up Norv was able to come in and do the job and had more talent to work with.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I find it amazing how many people just KNOW for a fact that it was Jason hire or Jerry's hire when the only fact is it is their opinions that it was Jason or Jerry's hire.

Some time down the road we will get the true story. Until that time all we have are opinions and it is magical how people are so sure their opinions are the right one in this matter and any one who does not agree is something similar to an ostrich with it's head in the sand or agenda driven.

I have yet to see any facts that convince me one way or the other of who's hire it was.

My GUESS and OPINION is that it could be a hire that BOTH agreed upon...and that could be good or bad for Jason depending on how it went down...IF it went down that way.

[View Full Quote]Again...time will tell and the truth will come out down the road. Until that time how about those that just KNOW that it was this guy's or that guy's hire talk about in as an opinion instead of acting like it is fact and everyone that does not agree with your Fact (opinion) is wrong.

Just something to consider.

[the playmaker]

Originally Posted by Venger

You are reading in what you want to believe - there is one guy doing the hiring at Valley Ranch, and his name is Sheriff Jerreh...

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

[Rynie]

Originally Posted by theogt

Garrett is going to do everything possible to make it look like it was his hire. Never have I seen someone so arrogant.

Kind of what I was thinking. Also, you know, the fact Red has never taken accountability for his mistakes. Super-arrogant.

[Coy]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Your reasoning is that since Larry Lacewell loves Kiffin, that there simply cannot be anyway that Garrett and Lacewell could like the same person as a D-Coordinator.

I don't really care if it was a Garrett or Jerry move. I'm even nonplussed on the move to begin with. But people having concluded that it must be a Jerry move to me says a lot about their blind hatred for Jerry as they are basing it on no evidence other than Larry Lacewell loves Kiffin.

Garrett was with the Bucs when Kiffin was their D-Coodinator.

I think it's obvious that Garrett didn't have the greatest relationship with Rob Ryan.

Jerry has repeatedly wanted the defense to stay in a 3-4.

Jerry was set to go after Lovie Smith after Parcells retired, but the Bears retained Smith.

If Jerry hired Smith, he would have had a head coach to replace Garrett if the team played poorly in 2013.

[View Full Quote]It's been pretty well known that Garrett has complex about dissention within his coaching staff as they fired Ray Sherman and Skip Peete. Kiffin presents no thread to Garrett as a head coach.

It's not exactly concrete proof, but it's more to go on than Lacewell, a guy who has always preferred a 4-3 faster player scheme who goes back to the Jimmy days where the organization instituted a fast, smaller player 4-3 scheme, just happens to like Kiffin who is probably the best 4-3 D-Coordinator in the past 15 years.

I don't like Lacewell as much as the next person, but I would expect him to love the hire because he's a 4-3 guy. I think he would have loved hiring Lovie Smith or just going back to the 4-3 full time, period.






YR

Not what I said, in fact they both could like him and I´m sure they do, look at my post, I never said Garrett was opposed to this or wasn´t involved, I just said that this move like most moves start and end with Jerry, I just mentioned Lacewell because we all know his relationship with Jerry and his thoughts on Kiffin.