Originally Posted by baj1dallas
Compared to a generation that listend to "She loves me yeah yeah yeah" and the Doors?
Interesting topic. I think there are obvious differences in generations but it is part of evolution of the species and technology.
I like to consider myself fairly objective. I am a white collar guy now but grew up in the hard rock arena (played metal in LA during early 90s), was a HS QB and always had good grades, perhaps surprisingly never got into any drugs, etc
My sister is a lawyer (14 years older) and ,y brother (10 yrs older) is a neerdowell still conning mom for support at 50 and her 74
Anyway, my mother has owned daycares for 35 years and I have seen thousands of kids of three decades. The majority of kids I think really are good, but there is a growing amount of concern to me.
First, sometime in the late 80s early 90s, more parents stopped wanting there kids told "NO" as they "read it caused them self esteem issues or "stifled creativity". Ill never forget the day that one mother was VERY upset with my mom because she told a child to stop picking his nose and putting boogers in his belly button. The Department of Child and family services also had to license these facilities and they required "training" to continue licensing. It has progressively gotten worse and the previous example is more of the norm.
Which is my first issue. While there has been some good progress in child development, the shear number of "experts" has grown exponentially since the 50s and 60s with more women in college and liberal arts and education becoming a coveted curriculum. Similar to economics or other doctoral thesis, the most attention is paid to the ideas that are "fringe" or "groundbreaking" people know this and being an outlier is the quickest way to getting published.
Im not advocating spanking. I was probably spanked 2 times in my life from my mother and 1 time from my dad. I knew immediately I deserved both. But there was never one day that I would ever punch my mom in the face at 5-8 years old and pull her hair and expect my mom to only say "now honey you know that hurts mommy and moakes her sad when you punch her right?"
Again, this activity has has gone from probably a .01% occurrence to a 5-10% occurrence in about 30 years.
So, I agree - the parents are the ultimate problems, but parents are being deluged with all of these new theories that may work for some children but do not work in all situations.
This is exacerbated by an increase in divorce. Divorce rate at 50% and at least 60% of those cases have mom and dad competing for best friend status. this has created kids to develop (I think) more manipulative skills and perhaps less of a conscience because they know they wont get in too much trouble because the other parent will slough it off.
Thirdly, and there may be bias here, the amount of information and the quantity has desensitized many kids of learning patience and experieince thrill. The lack of patience has resulted in a lack of quality. I quoted the bash against the doors and beatles because there is a change in perspective.
I find it hard to deny that the quality of popular music is diminishing. She loves me yah yeah yeah was 1964 when it was competing with Elvis. Subsequent offerings from the group definitely dug deeper. Today there are probably 3 million "artist" vying for notoriety. Shock has run its course and know its about spoof, skit and sillyness
I am getting older, but I cringe when music without any sign of chord progression, drum rolls to counter constant "un sst un sst", stolen riffs sampled and lack of any lyrical meaning is fine but its disposable. I get it for a drunk dance night at 1am, but music used to be about waiting for your favoriate band to put out an album/cd and listening to all 9-11 songs start to finish in your bedroom and then disecting them. While Gangnam Style has one catchy riff, it is the Macarena. A relic never to be remembered in 3 years.
As a musician, one problem is that most of it has been done before. Granted 4/4 time and I,IV,V progressions worked for Robert johnson, Elvis, Led Zepplin AC/DC and "Call me lately", but If you notice there are some classics and those classics captured bands, chemistry, talent, attitude. Zepplin, Billy Joel, Elton john, Queen, GnR, Van halen, had range. (I think eminem is about the best going for lyrics right now).
I do get that most music is primal and a electric slide will go over better than Miles Davis at a club, but even those songs have lost quality. Compressed audio is not hi-fi. But that is the culture, instant gratification is more the norm. Heirloom handmade furniture from North Carolina gives way to IKEA and Costco pressboard stuff. Buy a new BR set every year. Why learn melody and theory when I can pull a drum sample and synth riff and repeat a phrase over a skipping video? Does the video or song take 30 seconds to load? Dont have time - whats next?
People still have finite time and its easy to go to the lowest common denominator and mindless stuff as opposed to investing in something deeper. technology is great, but it has not improved everything. But i think eventually people do want quality in their life and that's why I have some hope in the art front.
Way too long I know, but I thought it was a perspective that had quite been touched on either side
I think most kids are going to be fine, my biggest worry is the lack of valuing privacy. Sometimes the bet way to create a buzz or interest in you is to be a little mysterious and secretive. Seems if everyone knows you on facebook, there is going to be less and less time to interact physically as people will think they know everything about you and go on to the next person/topic.
I just wonder if the new generation will ever get to feel what a rush true anticipation and building excitement is? I hope so, but I dont see where they can fit it in