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01-15-2013
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#31
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Originally Posted by Beast_from_East
And how exactly is Garrett coaching the offensive stars?
If we are going to say the defensive starters played like crap so Ryan gets fired, then why does Garrett stay when the offensive starters played like crap?
No way Ryan can get canned for his unit not performing when Garrett's unit didnt perform either and it is nothing but scapegoating. Both the DC and the OC should share the blame and both be fired.
I have not seen the OC fired, the only guy on the entire offense to get fired was the RB coach when we had the fewest rushing attempts in the 52 yr history of the team, seriously?
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Completely agree with you. Not to mention JG has been in charge of the play calling for 7 years now and it is still predictable//Vanilla. I don't think a lot of us are upset that Ryan is gone, we are upset that JG isn't gone. He was more deserving of getting fired than Ryan was. They both should have been fired and we should have never even considered old man Kiffin. A blow up is coming...
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01-15-2013
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#32
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
Mickey asked a question about injuries, referring specifically to the defense, and how that factors in.
Jerry answered with Chicago and Seattle being games he didn't particularly like prior to injuries so there's no excuse.
Now Jerry's saying he meant it as a broad statement about the team.
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Not sure if I saw the entire interview and follow up. But, while the talking heads were discussing Jerry's comments, they were playing background footage of the Seattle and Chicago games. Thing is, they only played unflattering defensive footage from those games. It seemed kind of strange that they wouldn't have shown some of the ints in the Chicago game - the whole thing looked pretty staged with somewhat of a defensive bias..
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01-15-2013
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#33
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Dark Days
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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ar...d-af2929535a23
Remember the part where I said the whole team was healthy for the Seattle game and I said only Church was out for Chicago? Remember where I said that the defense or Rob Ryan were never mentioned?
Yeah I am patting myself on the back, but sometimes you have to shove a dogs nose in the feces to get the message across.
So who is going to be the first to claim that Jones and Eatman are lying?
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01-15-2013
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#34
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Originally Posted by theogt
I don't understand what's going on here.
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Neither do I , or Jerry Jones, or 85% of the fanbase.
G.R.O.G. CLEAN HOUSE JJ.
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01-15-2013
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#35
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Originally Posted by Aven8
I agree with this. That was most likely the turning point for both Jerry and Garrett. I would have slapped him and I like Rob.
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I agree, I think it was a bigger factor in letting him go than most realize. It was embarrassing.
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01-15-2013
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#36
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Originally Posted by rynochop
I agree, I think it was a bigger factor in letting him go than most realize. It was embarrassing.
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Lot's of frustration and friction from Ryan over the course of the season. Some may be understandable, but an HC and GM can't have a mutiny going on right under their noses.
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01-15-2013
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#37
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Originally Posted by ufcrules1
Completely agree with you. Not to mention JG has been in charge of the play calling for 7 years now and it is still predictable//Vanilla. I don't think a lot of us are upset that Ryan is gone, we are upset that JG isn't gone. He was more deserving of getting fired than Ryan was. They both should have been fired and we should have never even considered old man Kiffin. A blow up is coming...
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It's coming but not for another year.
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01-15-2013
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#38
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Originally Posted by dwmyers
Reams of nonsense thrown at a problem usually suggest that the reams of nonsense exist because the problem is elsewhere.
Happens all the time when programming code. Hundreds of idiot explanations of the problem when in fact, you missed a comma, quote, or semicolon.
Those people who suggest that perhaps Jones and Garrett watched a defense being played in a style they didn't like and that prompted the firing, are probably closer to the mark than anyone paying any attention to the stuff coming out of Jerry's mouth.
[View Full Quote]Those suggesting similarities to Chan Gailey are probably closer to the truth than trying to parse Jerry's semblance of logic. At some innate level it wasn't a fit. That they went out and picked up someone whose defensive philosophy is relatively easy to understand, consistent, and relies on execution somehow dovetails with those Coryell based concepts (Garrett as a 21st century Norv Turner) from the 1990s, where great execution is at the heart of the offense.
I also can't help but think perhaps a brag was in all of this: maybe -- this is pure speculation on my part -- Rob promised a winning defense if they just got him his cornerbacks, and rather than rebuild the offensive line, they went cheap on it when they knew the consequences of doing do.
And when Rob's end of the bargain failed, they lost patience in him.
Just thoughts, trying to keep it simple.
D-
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I also think that Rob probably wasn't a Type A details oriented type of person, and they didn't trust him in a situation where he was the de-facto "head coach" of the defense given carte blanche over his unit. He's better off in a situation like the Rams where there are other high ranking defensive voices in the room who can micromanage him a little bit.

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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01-15-2013
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#39
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Originally Posted by Doomsay
Not sure if I saw the entire interview and follow up. But, while the talking heads were discussing Jerry's comments, they were playing background footage of the Seattle and Chicago games. Thing is, they only played unflattering defensive footage from those games. It seemed kind of strange that they wouldn't have shown some of the ints in the Chicago game - the whole thing looked pretty staged with somewhat of a defensive bias..
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The defense didn't play well in those games. The Bears had their hands tied with a hobbled Matt Forte, but they managed to just throw it to Brandon Marshall at will even though everyone in the stadium knew that was his only weapon. (7 catches, 138 yards on only 8 targets).
In the Seattle game, Seattle's offense just imposed their will on our defense and kept Dallas' offense off the field. Dallas managed to pull within 13-10 early in the 3rd quarter with the game very much in reach. Then the defense allowed Seattle a 90 yard TD march. Then Seattle followed that up with an 88 yard/12 yard/8 minute TD drive. Seattle then got the ball again and ate up the entire 4th quarter with one final drive before giving the ball back to Dallas with 36 seconds left.

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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01-15-2013
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#40
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Originally Posted by LarryCanadian
I drove down to the SeaHawks game - a game our beloved Dallas team had 10 days to prepare for IIRC.
That was the worst coached game by this team I have ever seen. Everyone was confused on offense (yes the noise was a huge factor and Witten had his worst game as a Cowboy probably).
I am totally in favour of the firing of Ryan based on that game alone. What you couldn't see on TV (I watched the taped version the next day) is just how terrible our defensive scheme and substitutions were that game.
We often, I mean OFTEN had too few or too many players on the field at various times of the game on defense. The safeties had NO idea - Sensi looked lost as to how to direct DB's back there.
[View Full Quote]Spencer barely made it on the field a couple times, and even got his sack because he either ran onto the field late and had a free rush from way outside or it was the only "clever" play of the game. I think we even gave up a key 3rd down with too many men on the field that game - with one guy running off late.
Was terrible to watch the confusion on the sideline. There I sat with my Ware jersey and got heckled and heckled.
Now, Felix Jones and the Special Teams didn't look ready to play football either (which is coaching too - Felix should never have been returning kicks and wasn't anywhere close to being in shape at that point of season).
The game plan to not rush a rookie QB in his 2nd game was baffling. Ware was pretty darn quiet, but still made a couple plays. Lee tried. Carter hadn't broken out yet. Lynch ran over our backs.
Our tackling was dreadful especially by safeties and DB's and interior line.
Remember, this was after we looked quite motivated and executed well the game against the Giants. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde for sure.
I like Ryan's emotional energy and that is it. I don't think he's creative at getting pressure, or good with the details. I don't think he got the most out of the starters.
You could really see the shortcomings from the coaches on the sideline - stuff you couldn't see on the TV images. Was BRUTAL to watch.
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It was after that game that I began to really doubt Red Ball. He had 10 days to get the team ready to play and they stank it up all around. To me that is on the coaches. Especially the HC.
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