JJT gets props for latest Romo article

[Coy]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Was Elway a coach killer? Did he need a running game to win a SB?

I love Tony but common man, you cannot compare him with Elway, this guy took Denver to 3 SB´s in the 80´s. before winning two in the 90´s

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Originally Posted by Coy

I love Tony but common man, you cannot compare him with Elway, this guy took Denver to 3 SB´s in the 80´s. before winning two in the 90´s

Everyone seems to forget that. Elway was a HOF QB before he won those SB's..

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Coy

I love Tony but common man, you cannot compare him with Elway, this guy took Denver to 3 SB´s in the 80´s. before winning two in the 90´s

I have seen people say they think Romo is just as good as Brees, Rodgers, and Peyton.

[bbailey423]

Originally Posted by plymkr

JJT writes in his article it's all Romo's fault but then he puts in this statement: "Just getting into the playoffs would mean so much to a moribund franchise that's 128-128 since 1997. We're talking about a team that's just one of three franchises -- Washington and Detroit are the others -- not to play in an NFC championship game since 1997."

hmm, okay, I was not aware that Romo has been our starting qb since 1997, I have directv and the football package and this is a shocking revelation to me. There's only one constant face that's been around since '97 and we all know his name. He's the coach killer, not Romo. Switzer,Gailey, Campo, Parcells, Phillips all suffered under the coach killing ways of Jerry Jones.

[View Full Quote]I respectfully disagree with JJT that Romo cost Ryan his job, maybe the 270+ rushing yards against Washington cost Ryan his job. I firmly believe that Garret should be gone, I agree with JJT that asking Romo to win every game with his gunslinging ways is too much. It's been three years and if Garret can not devise a game plan to help Romo succeed he's got to go. Holgrem figured it out with Favre. Speaking of Favre, who was the simper bowl MVP, Desmond Howard. Without his returns in that game who knows if they win. The next year they lost to Denver with Howard playing for the raiders.

My point is Romo is inconsistent and he's put in a position to play perfectly or the team loses. The defense has not helped him and his offensive mates are just inconsistent as romo is (miles Austin comes to mind, as well as felix jones, ogletree and the whole offensive line)Romo reminds me of Favre in this way, Favre didn't win until they improved that defense and Dorsey Levens emerged along with edgar bennet. Go back and watch the '93 NFC championship game with Dallas and San Fran. Steve Young did not look good in that game. He got beat up the whole game by our defense. On the flip side 49ers could not stop our offense even with bernie kosar playing the second half due to stubblefied's knee to Aikman's head causing a concussed Troy. Emmitt and Harper was too much for him. The next year niners jacked up that defense with Ken Norton, Rickey Jackson, Deion Sanders, etc and they won it all.

Let's call it like it is, Romo is an above average franchise quarterback who can make plays to win but also make plays to lose. Head coach Jerry Jones and his offense coordinator Garret need to stop treating Romo like he can win every game single handily and get him some help.

Brian Billick won the super bowl with Trent dilfer as qb. Everyone says the defense won that super bowl. I agree with that. HOwever Billick does not get the credit for what he did with dilfer in that game and that season. Billick game planned so Dilfer's strengths were exploited and his weaknesses were not exploited. Garret should be fired for being with Romo for as long as he has and still not figured out how to do that.

very good post. How often have we heard Jerry say "This team will go as far as Romo will take them". Stop and think about that guys. If you want it to be all on your QB....wouldn't you at least put an OL in front of him that will give him 4 - 5 seconds to make a decision...that is what Brady has...that is what Manning has. Wouldn't you at least supply him with WRs that know when to break in or out...or where to lineup? Wouldn't you supply him with a head coach that knows how to manage the clock? I mean we only tend to remember when Romo makes mistakes...because ALL of our Ws and Ls are on him. And for the record...football is the ULTIMATE team sport...so relying on your QB to decide you fate excuses the GM, the coaches and the other 52 players...ALL of whom are getting paid.

[weaver21]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I have seen people say they think Romo is just as good as Brees, Rodgers, and Peyton.

Who? I don't think I've ever met a person in my life who thinks Romo is better than either of those three.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by weaver21

Who? I don't think I've ever met a person in my life who thinks Romo is better than either of those three.

I have seen it several times on this forum in the past. I can't remember the names off the top of my head. I know that kid Cowboys&Lakers fans said he would take Romo over Rodgers.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by bbailey423

very good post. How often have we heard Jerry say "This team will go as far as Romo will take them". Stop and think about that guys. If you want it to be all on your QB....wouldn't you at least put an OL in front of him that will give him 4 - 5 seconds to make a decision...that is what Brady has...that is what Manning has. Wouldn't you at least supply him with WRs that know when to break in or out...or where to lineup? Wouldn't you supply him with a head coach that knows how to manage the clock? I mean we only tend to remember when Romo makes mistakes...because ALL of our Ws and Ls are on him. And for the record...football is the ULTIMATE team sport...so relying on your QB to decide you fate excuses the GM, the coaches and the other 52 players...ALL of whom are getting paid.

You can only go as far as your weakest link. Guess who was our weakest link against the Redskins? I will give you a hint.. it wasn't the oline, the defense, the coach, or even the G.M.

[Future]

Originally Posted by randy932

Tony Romo = 100% coach killer.

Erm, wut?

Without Tony, JG is probably the OC at Bemidji State right now.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Coy

I love Tony but common man, you cannot compare him with Elway, this guy took Denver to 3 SB´s in the 80´s. before winning two in the 90´s

Elway is one of the best ever. He's a great example of someone NOT having to win a SB and still be considered great. The 2 SBs just capped it off.

[ringmaster]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Elway is one of the best ever. He's a great example of someone NOT having to win a SB and still be considered great. The 2 SBs just capped it off.

The thing that irks me and this doesn't pertain to Elway, because he got 2 rings is that most people consider the QB great even if they just get to the damn SB doesn't matter if his team loses he got them there and I always thought that if a QB wins it he would be considered great.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

Elway is one of the best ever. He's a great example of someone NOT having to win a SB and still be considered great. The 2 SBs just capped it off.

100% agree, he is a perfect example of not having to win a SB and being considered great. Marino is another one.

[plymkr]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

You can only go as far as your weakest link. Guess who was our weakest link against the Redskins? I will give you a hint.. it wasn't the oline, the defense, the coach, or even the G.M.

Who's been the weakest link since '97? Again Romo has not been our starting qb since '97. I also would strongly argue your suggestion that the defense was not the weakest link in that loss to the redskins. How many rushing yards did the redskins get? In NFL history how many teams win a game when the other teams rushes for 270 yards? I don't care if it's pre season, regular season or post season. Yes Romo completely screwed up in that game but to say he was our weakest link I feel is not accurate when the defense was involved.

But moving past the redskins game, does Dallas even have anything to play for if Romo does not play the way he did in the last half of the season. It makes me laugh when people say Romo is 2 of 6 in win or go home games. In November and December if they lose any of those games we were eliminated from the playoffs. If we lose to the steelers or bengals then the redskins game is a non-nationally televised divisional game that flys under the radar cuz Dallas was eliminated and the skins don't play their starters.

My main point/gripe with Cowboy nation and the national media is no qb, or player for that matter, can be expected to be talented enough or play perfectly enough to get a team to rise above the culture of losing that Jerry Jones has produced in the last decade. As I've said in other threads Jerry has made himself the uncontested face of the franchise and he is a loser. As Gm's go he is a loser, his post Jimmy Johnson drafting is sub par and his FA pickups have been spotty at best. I give Jerry credit for Dware, full credit, he over ruled Bill and took Demarcus, but that's about it. for every Dware he's given us he's also given us Shante Carver, Kavika Pitmman (when Brackens was there and we traded down), Quincy Carter. In FA he got us Drew Bledsoe, Quinton Coryett (sp), Dat Dude etc. If Jerry's GMing was a player he would have been cut years ago. So therefor Jerry the owner has failed to be a good owner because he will not fire the GM. It also makes me laugh when people separate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM, in my mind they both have failed because of our record since '97.

Lets not throw too many stones at Romo when the alternative is Quincy carters, Clint Stoeners, Bledsoes. We're lucky to have Romo and very unlucky to have Jerry Jones. We're lucky Jerry found Romo and signed him because without Romo we wouldn't have even been in 6 elimination games in the last decade. Don't forget how we were eliminated from the playoffs before thanksgiving with the likes of Drew Hensen and Vinny intercepteverde. Am I a Romo apologist, sure, I guess I would classify myself as that but before I got to this point I did a lot of re-watching old game film of pre-Romo and I remember how bad we were.

I completely disagree that Romo was the weakest link in the skins' loss, but I will give you he was a very strong second. the weakest link was the defense. Now did Romo play good enough to win if the defense doesn't allow 270 rushing yards, probably not. Romo played terrible that game and with an average defense we would have lost. but the real question is; is the redskins game even worth watching, get nationally flexed, or even be a blimp on the NFL radar if Romo doesn't play the way he did in November and December.

And why does the media and cowboys' fans want to bury Romo when the obvious weakest link is Jerry. I hate to say this but Dallas has no chance as long as Jerry is alive, I know it, you know it and the media knows it. that's why they picked Romo as the convenient scapegoat. The real problem isn't going away, or retiring soon. No media is going to write Jerry needs to die before the cowboys will be competitive because he's too stubborn to do what needs to be done. People don't want to read that because it's the truth. When Romo is gone and Jerry is still here everyone is going to realize what we had and what we will have until Jerry either dies, or puts his ego aside and gets help.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by randy932

Not this tired old myth.

Romo led his team to the playoffs twice in high school, they promptly lost each time.

Romo led his team to the playoffs twice in college, they promptly lost both times.

Romo led his team to the playoffs once with a HOF coach in the NFL, and they promptly lost.

Romo led his NFL team to the NFL playoffs twice more and both times lost quickly, finally winning one game against the overmatched Eagles.

In the last two years, Romo led his team to a win or go home final game of the season, they went home both times.

Yet, the Romo worshippers refuse to believe that Romo is what history has shown repeatedly he truly is, a Jonah, a coach killer, a lifelong loser when the chips are truly down.

[View Full Quote]The Romopologists think that he needs a different coach, or better teammates or a better system. He has proven he will lose regardless of how good of a coach he has, whatever scheme he is in, and in spite of having 12 pro-bowlers surrounding him.

This is not opinion. This is undeniable facts.

That left a mark.

We can defend Romo with our hearts all we want, but he has to prove it on the field in something other than stats. He has to make players, coaches, and even fans believe that he can actually come through in the clutch.

Until he can do this, he is still the biggest question mark on this team.

[gbrittain]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

That left a mark.

We can defend Romo with our hearts all we want, but he has to prove it on the field in something other than stats. He has to make players, coaches, and even fans believe that he can actually come through in the clutch.

Until he can do this, he is still the biggest question mark on this team.

You had to go and quote someone on ignore...thanks.

The biggest question mark on the team...you serious?

Anyway, the way I see it Romo does have to still prove he can get it done when he has the right supporting cast. I will grant that much. For anyone here that thinks Dallas has put together anything here that constitutes good supporting cast...well I would have to laugh. The only thing close was 2007 and that was when Romo had about a grand total of a season and a half of starts underneath his belt.

For all the abuse Garrett and Jerry Jones take on this board along with Dallas history of futility the past 16 years, to lay the lack of success on Romo is borderline asinine IMO.

Are we really saying Jerry and Jason are pretty good, they just need a QB???

Let me ask you a question, how many playoff games did Aikman win when the team was not absolutely loaded with talent?

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by Coy

I love Tony but common man, you cannot compare him with Elway, this guy took Denver to 3 SB´s in the 80´s. before winning two in the 90´s

The point I was trying to make is that if a Top Tier HOF QB like Elway struggles to get to and win a Superbowl, then Tony Romo is going to need more help to get there. I dont think Tony is a HOF QB any where near Elway so I think he needs an OL and a running game (or at least a turnover type defense) to get the team to the SB.

Right now, ALL of the offense is on him and thats not going to work well all the time.