Questioning Kiffin...

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Also because in other post his age as been brought up as some negative towards his ability as a DC.

exactly

this is no joke people, the is serious stuff

this is just disrespectful of the elderly

there are plenty of NFL teams with OCs and DCs that are over 70 and there is a reason why more and more teams are trending that way

go ahead Dooms, show everyone all the examples...

read em and weep people, read em and weep

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Maybe because around here what starts off as a joke ends up being portrayed as fact.

Also because in other post his age as been brought up as some negative towards his ability as a DC. Last time I checked Kiffin was not going to be suiting up for the game

If you feel this way...then maaaaaybe you shouldn't read Goose Gosling's Quick Take in the DMN today.....

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by visionary

exactly

this is no joke people, the is serious stuff

this is just disrespectful of the elderly

there are plenty of NFL teams with OCs and DCs that are over 70 and there is a reason why more and more teams are trending that way

go ahead Dooms, show everyone all the examples...

read em and weep people, read em and weep

As I said levy was in his 70's when leading the Bills to 4 stright SB his age did not hold him back. If a coach no matter what age can put the time and effort in and can avoid burn out there is no reason they can't do the job based on age alone.

Dick LeBeau is 75 years old and still putting a defensive unit that ranks at the top of the NFL.

Philly DC Jim Johnson was up in age but his mental ability to run a defense did not fade.

No one is asking these men to play the game what they bring to the table is vast experiance and systems that work.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

If you feel this way...then maaaaaybe you shouldn't read Goose Gosling's Quick Take in the DMN today.....

I am not concerned what some sports writer has to say. I wonder how he would feel if he was called out on the carpet and told he was too old to still be writing? He is been doing it for 31 years I highly doubt he would say he was too old to do his job.

[Zimmy Lives]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I am not concerned what some sports writer has to say. I wonder how he would feel if he was called out on the carpet and told he was too old to still be writing? He is been doing it for 31 years I highly doubt he would say he was too old to do his job.

Actually, he was writing about Kiffin's inability to stop Kelly's offense.

Of course most of us would agree that comparing college to pro is ludicrous and ignorant but I'm just saying....

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

Actually, he was writing about Kiffin's inability to stop Kelly's offense.

Of course most of us would agree that comparing college to pro is ludicrous and ignorant but I'm just saying....

Well then I would be questioning a lot of coaches in the NCAA for not stopping Oregon. Kind of goes back to coaches coach they don't play the game. I can show you how but I can't do the job for you.

[dez_for_prez]

Someone get this man a life alert. We can have him in his office this late alone.

I do look forward to seeing his defence shut down teams next year though.

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Well then I would be questioning a lot of coaches in the NCAA for not stopping Oregon. Kind of goes back to coaches coach they don't play the game. I can show you how but I can't do the job for you.

People don't seem to realize that USC was under sanctions while Oregon was doing things that is going to get them sanctions in the near future. The upperclass talent on the rosters wasn't even close.

The only thing I like about Kelly is his willingness to play the percentages on 4th down. Knowing you're going to go for it makes 3rd down play calling much more unpredictable.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

People don't seem to realize that USC was under sanctions while Oregon was doing things that is going to get them sanctions in the near future. The upperclass talent on the rosters wasn't even close.

The only thing I like about Kelly is his willingness to play the percentages on 4th down. Knowing you're going to go for it makes 3rd down play calling much more unpredictable.

Well philly luck on 4th down is not that great. I know what the stats say I also know Philly OL seems to get stuffed more times than not when they attempt 4th down.

I think people are doing a lot of assuming on Kelly and what kind of job he will do in Philly. Not saying he will fail but I don't think it is a given he will have success.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

People don't seem to realize that USC was under sanctions while Oregon was doing things that is going to get them sanctions in the near future. The upperclass talent on the rosters wasn't even close.

The only thing I like about Kelly is his willingness to play the percentages on 4th down. Knowing you're going to go for it makes 3rd down play calling much more unpredictable.

kelly will have a short NFL career if makes it a habit of going for it on 4th down in his half of the field

[StanleySpadowski]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Well philly luck on 4th down is not that great. I know what the stats say I also know Philly OL seems to get stuffed more times than not when they attempt 4th down.

I think people are doing a lot of assuming on Kelly and what kind of job he will do in Philly. Not saying he will fail but I don't think it is a given he will have success.

I doubt he uses the jumbo packages on 4th and short like so many coaches who have fallen into that trap. The one place the read option has an advantage is in short yardage with 4 wides and the defense spread.

The difference with Kelly though isn't whether he goes for it on 4th and short as many coaches will. He'll go for it on 4th and 4 from the opponents 40. He'll also take advantage of the 2 point conversion. If a team can average 51% conversion, it's points on the board over a season.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

I doubt he uses the jumbo packages on 4th and short like so many coaches who have fallen into that trap. The one place the read option has an advantage is in short yardage with 4 wides and the defense spread.

The difference with Kelly though isn't whether he goes for it on 4th and short as many coaches will. He'll go for it on 4th and 4 from the opponents 40. He'll also take advantage of the 2 point conversion. If a team can average 51% conversion, it's points on the board over a season.

I hope he does, no one cares about the 51% but the 49% failure that can cost you big.

How Kelly does is anyone guess but it is far from a given that he will come into the NFL and set the league on fire.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

He was just waiting for the Viagra informercials come out on tv.


Or so I've been told...

Let's not confuse your down-time with an actual coach's down time.

[jterrell]

absolutely love to hear that kiffin is wholly committed.

only downside is that probably means he hasn't seen this film before taking the job. so he has less an idea of what to do with many guys than ryan would have had he stayed and spent his off-season at the buffet table.

kiffin can coach. he is certainly aging and evidence suggest max coaching age is in the 40s but his expertise or dedication has never been my issue.

i do question the players he has and the ammo we have to assist him in getting new ones. and i dont think many folks would hire a 72 year old for a transformative move.

he is here now and i'll hope for the best but this doesn't make much logical sense to me. other than if you wanted a 1 year coach to get you through to 2014 and a new staff. ---but then it makes little sense to hire 5+ new assts. unless one of those is a head coach in waiting for 2014.... basically just logically hard to figure.

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by jterrell

absolutely love to hear that kiffin is wholly committed.

only downside is that probably means he hasn't seen this film before taking the job. so he has less an idea of what to do with many guys than ryan would have had he stayed and spent his off-season at the buffet table.

kiffin can coach. he is certainly aging and evidence suggest max coaching age is in the 40s but his expertise or dedication has never been my issue.

i do question the players he has and the ammo we have to assist him in getting new ones. and i dont think many folks would hire a 72 year old for a transformative move.

he is here now and i'll hope for the best but this doesn't make much logical sense to me. other than if you wanted a 1 year coach to get you through to 2014 and a new staff. ---but then it makes little sense to hire 5+ new assts. unless one of those is a head coach in waiting for 2014.... basically just logically hard to figure.

This.

I have more issues with the players he has then the coach. It's been like this forever but Jerry seems to always think the quick fix is by switching coaches. He better be ready to upgrade both lines this offense. No amount of coaching can make a scrub into a formidable players. Right now the oline is full of scrubs and the dline is full of jags.