Mosley: Jerry Jones needs to finish the job and bring Chucky to Valley Ranch

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Do you think he just doesn't know about the reported acrimony between Kiffin and Gruden? Or doesn't care because he knows Cowboys faithful will run after this story like a golden retriever after a dirty tennis ball? Seriously.

We've finally got an organization that's committed to putting a winning structure in place. Why in the world would we disassemble it for a retread commentator who's been out of the game for what amounts to a lifetime and who's publicly shopping for a HC gig and getting nowhere with it? It's just not going to happen, thankfully. Our fans are just going to have to satisfy themselves with incremental improvement. Poor things.

Or make it up where none exists?

8-8 = 8-8

Poor things.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Or make it up where none exists?

8-8 = 8-8

Poor things.

Yeah, I obviously wasn't referring to improvement in terms of the team's record. I'm talking about improving as an organization: doing things methodically, drafting well, implementing a quality conditioning program, populating the roster with the personalities you want and instilling a won't-quit attitude, a willingness to address weaknesses (secondary, OL), insulating the team more effectively against outside influences, etc. You know, running things better.

Believe it or not, sometimes you can improve organizationally but it really does take a little chopping wood for it to show up in the win column.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Yeah, I obviously wasn't referring to improvement in terms of the team's record. I'm talking about improving as an organization: doing things methodically, drafting well, implementing a quality conditioning program, populating the roster with the personalities you want and instilling a won't-quit attitude, a willingness to address weaknesses (secondary, OL), insulating the team more effectively against outside influences, etc. You know, running things better.

Believe it or not, sometimes you can improve organizationally but it really does take a little chopping wood for it to show up in the win column.

Well said. See Jimmy Johnson. 3-13 to 1-15 to 7-9 to 11-5 to back/back Championships.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Well said. See Jimmy Johnson. 3-13 to 1-15 to 7-9 to 11-5 to back/back Championships.

One key difference between Jimmy and Jason - Jimmy inherited a roster completely bereft of talent, Jason did not. Quite the opposite in fact.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Yeah, I obviously wasn't referring to improvement in terms of the team's record. I'm talking about improving as an organization: doing things methodically, drafting well, implementing a quality conditioning program, populating the roster with the personalities you want and instilling a won't-quit attitude, a willingness to address weaknesses (secondary, OL), insulating the team more effectively against outside influences, etc. You know, running things better.

Believe it or not, sometimes you can improve organizationally but it really does take a little chopping wood for it to show up in the win column.

You know me.

It's a bottom line proposition in my book.

You win games or you lose games.

Improvement is only improvement when it translates into winning.

If it doesn't, it's simply a lot of hollow talk.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

You know me.

It's a bottom line proposition in my book.

You win games or you lose games.

Improvement is only improvement when it translates into winning.

If it doesn't, it's simply a lot of hollow talk.

I do know that's your position. I just don't understand how such a smart poster can disregard the, literally, dozens of examples of good teams that didn't start off winning nearly as many games/season as they ended up winning once the program was in place.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I do know that's your position. I just don't understand how such a smart poster can disregard the, literally, dozens of examples of good teams that didn't start off winning nearly as many games/season as they ended up winning once the program was in place.

I would counter how a smart poster would simply assume that the program being put in place is a 'winning' one despite all evidence to the contrary?

Offense steadily improving under Garrett's hand? Nope.

Defense getting better? No again.

Special teams maybe? Let's ask the guy who just left.

How about wins? No improvement there either.

So if there is no tangible evidence to support 'the process' working, then maybe 'the process' isn't as good as the folks supporting it would have you believe?

[Dhragon]

I was hopeful earlier, but by now? If Red is still here now, I find it hard to believe he won't be when the season starts next year.

Doubt Gruden is coming here, though I'd like him to. Even if he couldn't lift the team up above mediocrity ( I think he would ), his press conferences would at least be entertaining, unlike the robotic ones of Garrett. Those bland press conferences work for Belicheck only because of his success.

[Blast From The Past]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Greatly dislike "chucky".

Want no part of him on the Dallas Cowboys.

Amen on that! Just say No To Chucky! He won a SB with Dungy's team in Tampa against a foe he knew all too well but outside of being a notorious workaholic what else has set him apart from the pack?