Broaddus: Answer Pretty Clear When Evaluating Both Guards

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

we spent huge money and a 1st and 2nd rd pick on two CBs last offseason.

Why can't we put those kinds of resources into the O line THIS offseason?

I dunno, maybe they could.

But the trade for Mo (the 6th pick of the draft) represented a unique circumstance where the value of the player exceeded the spot he was being chosen at and the team trading with Dallas took less of a deal to trade out of the spot.

Lot's of things have to align for that to happen with an offensive lineman I would think.

And without seeing where the team is as far as the cap goes and without knowing if there are any high-priced linemen they like-- who knows where that's going.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

It could happen that way.

The fact is after the first round the chances of finding a competent starter for the offensive line THIS season is slim.

Several of the top-rated linemen that were drafted in 2012 and started this season didn't exactly distinguish themselves. It takes time.

I think the Cowboys get a FA guard, put Parnell at RT and go from there.

The chances are actually quite high if you draft one in the 1st two rounds.

I have no idea what criteria of evaluation you used to determine that none of the linemen distinguished themselves. I highly doubt you've studied them and no one talks about rookie offensive linemen except the fans of teams they are on.

Roughly 85% of offensive linemen taken in the 2nd round last year started 13+ games. They ALL started at least 6 games. I'm willing to be their head coaches have a slightly differing opinion from yours on whether it's a "fact" that they were all undistinguished.

I'm unsure how your strategy of taking yet another stop-gap guard in FA solves our problems. What's the definition of insanity again? I think it's time to stop being so short sighted and actually deal with the root of the problem, the idea that "we're going to win the superbowl next year" has been used to justify way too many quick fixes around here.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

how many years has Bernie been in the league?

If you think he is going to 'blossom' now then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale

Bernies been in the league a few years, but he was a raw kid from a small school. If you truly know how long it can take to develop Olinemen, you would know that it takes time, but, to change the subject, I do sell ocean front property in New Mexico, so feel free to get ahold of me if your in the market.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by TheCount

The chances are actually quite high if you draft one in the 1st two rounds.

I have no idea what criteria of evaluation you used to determine that none of the linemen distinguished themselves. I highly doubt you've studied them and no one talks about rookie offensive linemen except the fans of teams they are on.

Roughly 85% of offensive linemen taken in the 2nd round last year started 13+ games. They ALL started at least 6 games. I'm willing to be their head coaches have a slightly differing opinion from yours on whether it's a "fact" that they were all undistinguished.

I'm unsure how your strategy of taking yet another stop-gap guard in FA solves our problems. What's the definition of insanity again? I think it's time to stop being so short sighted and actually deal with the root of the problem, the idea that "we're going to win the superbowl next year" has been used to justify way too many quick fixes around here.

Just because they started, doesn't mean they played well.

The only one off the top that played well was the kid that went to Buffalo... Glenn (whom RS liked). Glenn played well at tackle for the Bills.

I'm not into "quick" fixes either. But the fact is there's a lotta positions on this team that need help and I'm not devoting much of the 2013 draft is going to be the ultimate solution.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

Because hes young, and the potential is there. Yet you won't give Bernadeau a shot, because he doesn't have the pedigree of a Top ten pick, like Smith. Bernadeau, in his first time as a starter, struggled liked Smith, but did show some flashes of potential and could certaingly develop into a solid player, even though he doesn't fit in the Risen star's philosophy of a high draft pick.

Bernadeau is 27 years old and has been in the league 5 years. Tyron is 22 with 2 years in the league. Then you have that pesky tape thing that shows Tyron an athletic freak and Bernadeau a career backup. No talent evaluator on the planet would see much similarity between the two.

Having said that, my plan for next year is to move Bernadeau to C. Then hopefully replace him the following year.

[ABQcowboyJR]

You keep bern because he is younger and can maybe compete for the center job. Wouldn't it be nice to have Tyrone at LT and Cooper at LG. We could run a screen or two then.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Bernadeau is 27 years old and has been in the league 5 years. Tyron is 22 with 2 years in the league. Then you have that pesky tape thing that shows Tyron an athletic freak and Bernadeau a career backup. No talent evaluator on the planet would see much similarity between the two.

Having said that, my plan for next year is to move Bernadeau to C. Then hopefully replace him the following year.

Par the course, your not comprehending. Bernadeau hasn't had a "career". Hes still developing. But I am anxious to hear from you about the Boys needing to draft all Olinemen in this years draft.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

Par the course, your not comprehending. Bernadeau hasn't had a "career". Hes still developing. But I am anxious to hear from you about the Boys needing to draft all Olinemen in this years draft.

When all else fails, use hyperbole.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

When all else fails, use hyperbole.

It fits well with RS's agendas imo.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

Bernies been in the league a few years, but he was a raw kid from a small school. If you truly know how long it can take to develop Olinemen, you would know that it takes time, but, to change the subject, I do sell ocean front property in New Mexico, so feel free to get ahold of me if your in the market.

5 years is a little more than a few but then you probably did not realize that

Excuses excuses that is all you have

Meanwhile Romo gets worked

maybe that is the plan from all of you pollyanna's that think this batch of JAGS are worth something

[Common Sense]

To say that a player in his late twenties entering into his sixth season hasn't had a career is just idiotic.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Just because they started, doesn't mean they played well.

The only one off the top that played well was the kid that went to Buffalo... Glenn (whom RS liked). Glenn played well at tackle for the Bills.

I'm not into "quick" fixes either. But the fact is there's a lotta positions on this team that need help and I'm not devoting much of the 2013 draft is going to be the ultimate solution.

So you've researched and evaluated all of them and have some sort of system for grading how well they played? I'd love to see it.

My issue wash with your assertation that its a fact any lineman taken outside the 1st has virtually no shot to be a factor. It's a blanket statement with no actual facts behind it. And the further we get from another embarrassing season-ender, the more people will start believing it, like usual.

There may be a lot of positions that need help but I'll say what I've been saying for years: until we don't have to worry about the trench players, we'll be spinning our wheels. It's very hard for people to shift gears from running backs, wide receivers, and cornerbacks but if you want consistency and toughness, it starts with the big guys.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by TheCount

So you've researched and evaluated all of them and have some sort of system for grading how well they played? I'd love to see it.

My issue wash with your assertation that its a fact any lineman taken outside the 1st has virtually no shot to be a factor. It's a blanket statement with no actual facts behind it. And the further we get from another embarrassing season-ender, the more people will start believing it, like usual.

There may be a lot of positions that need help but I'll say what I've been saying for years: until we don't have to worry about the trench players, we'll be spinning our wheels. It's very hard for people to shift gears from running backs, wide receivers, and cornerbacks but if you want consistency and toughness, it starts with the big guys.

PFF grades all players.

Nope, I didn't say (or I didn't mean to say) that lineman taken outside the first round aren't worthwhile, it's just you probably aren't going to get instant, positive production of them... Meaning, help for the 2013 season.

Obviously it's a good idea to "bank" players like Arkin and hope they develop.

But the offensive line needs help immediately.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Common Sense

To say that a player in his late twenties entering into his sixth season hasn't had a career is just idiotic.

No need to insult. Thats easy to do behind a computer screen, but what I was trying get across was that Bernadeau has been in the league, but he was a raw project that until this year, has never seen extensive playing time. Hes a work in progress, but showed enough potential imo, to be a solid player. Not an All pro bowl player necessarily, but a good player, serviable starter, whatever you wanna call it.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

No need to insult. Thats easy to do behind a computer screen, but what I was trying get across was that Bernadeau has been in the league, but he was a raw project that until this year, has never seen extensive playing time. Hes a work in progress, but showed enough potential imo, to be a solid player. Not an All pro bowl player necessarily, but a good player, serviable starter, whatever you wanna call it.

Bernadeau did play better later on in the season... Could be some reason for optimism.