Broaddus "The Draft Show"

[InmanRoshi]

FWIW, Broaddus is going to host his own Draft Show on DallasCowboys.com today at 11 CST. I'm sure a stream archive will be up on the site under the Multimedia tab if you miss it.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

FWIW, Broaddus is going to host his own Draft Show on DallasCowboys.com today at 11 CST. I'm sure a stream archive will be up on the site under the Multimedia tab if you miss it.

Tom Ciskowski was the guest.

He said that he requires his scouts to ignore team needs. He wants a "pure draft board" without being affected by need.

He did not say that the "war room" would completely ignore need when making the final decision.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Tom Ciskowski was the guest.

He said that he requires his scouts to ignore team needs. He wants a "pure draft board" without being affected by need.

He did not say that the "war room" would completely ignore need when making the final decision.

You really have to do it that way to properly evaluate the entire field.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Tom Ciskowski was the guest.

He said that he requires his scouts to ignore team needs. He wants a "pure draft board" without being affected by need.

He did not say that the "war room" would completely ignore need when making the final decision.

But....but.....but....

What about BPA at need?!

[Risen Star]

As for Broaddus and the draft, he literally didn't know any of these players three weeks ago. He couldn't answer one question. Admitted he hasn't seen these players yet.

So join me for a laugh as me morphs into a draft expert in the coming weeks.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

As for Broaddus and the draft, he literally didn't know any of these players three weeks ago. He couldn't answer one question. Admitted he hasn't seen these players yet.

So join me for a laugh as me morphs into a draft expert in the coming weeks.

On his twitter feeds, he announces daily which players he's watching tape of that day. You mean a guy who spent three weeks watching tape has more information to share than he did previous to when he did start watching tape? Great insight. I bet he has insights after attending the Senior Bowl that he didn't have last week too.

He clearly doesn't have the expertise of the sofa scouts who have spent the last 3 months worth of Saturdays on NFLDraftDork.com evaluating players from TV camera angles with their faces stuck in a trough of nachos, regurgitating exactly what everyone else on the internet draft hivemind is saying.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

But....but.....but....

What about BPA at need?!

they do not generally rate players 1,2,3,4,5 et al.

They rate guys in groups.

Inside those groupings they can choose based on need.

we've seen a couple draft boards now so have some idea of what it looks like.

usually a group of guys graded by round but no expectation of having 32 guys in each one.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

On his twitter feeds, he announces daily which players he's watching tape of that day. You mean a guy who spent three weeks watching tape has more information to share than he did previous to when he did start watching tape? Great insight. I bet he has insights after attending the Senior Bowl that he didn't have last week too.

He clearly doesn't have the expertise of the sofa scouts who have spent the last 3 months worth of Saturdays on NFLDraftDork.com evaluating players from TV camera angles with their faces stuck in a trough of nachos, regurgitating exactly what everyone else on the internet draft hivemind is saying.

I really respect Broaddus in many ways but unfortunately his draft evaluation skills have proven brutally flawed the past few drafts.

This is the guy who really loved David Arkin for instance.

I am sure he has a better handle than an average fan but it is no longer his job to scout year round and he was fired by BP for a reason: the scouting dept was failing miserably.

There are certain players I have seen enough of to form a realistic opinion and in those cases if I disagree with Broaddus I no longer assume myself wrong. With most professional personnel guys I would.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

On his twitter feeds, he announces daily which players he's watching tape of that day. You mean a guy who spent three weeks watching tape has more information to share than he did previous to when he did start watching tape? Great insight. I bet he has insights after attending the Senior Bowl that he didn't have last week too.

He clearly doesn't have the expertise of the sofa scouts who have spent the last 3 months worth of Saturdays on NFLDraftDork.com evaluating players from TV camera angles with their faces stuck in a trough of nachos, regurgitating exactly what everyone else on the internet draft hivemind is saying.

I forgot more about these prospects than a hack like Bryan Broaddus will ever know.

Anybody who pays attention to college football and the draft can make the same claim.

You're talking about a guy who literally didn't know the names of most of these players three weeks ago and now he's giving draft advice? Spare me.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by jterrell

they do not generally rate players 1,2,3,4,5 et al.

They rate guys in groups.

Inside those groupings they can choose based on need.

we've seen a couple draft boards now so have some idea of what it looks like.

usually a group of guys graded by round but no expectation of having 32 guys in each one.

Players are often clustered. But only because of grade. Sure need can and will factor in when the quality of the prospect is relatively the same. We're talking about when it's not the same. When there is a clear cut superior prospect on the board. In that case you never consider need over talent.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

Players are often clustered. But only because of grade. Sure need can and will factor in when the quality of the prospect is relatively the same. We're talking about when it's not the same. When there is a clear cut superior prospect on the board. In that case you never consider need over talent.

And I think the Cowboys have done that, i.e. gone for the superior prospect as opposed to drafting for need, the last couple drafts to a great extent.

[nickjamesw43]

My understanding of it is they assign a grade of 1-100 to each player. I remember Jerry saying they had Mendenhall as a 96 and Felix as a 95. Watching the show Broaddus says both Merriman and Ware had a grade of 100.

Need is a tie breaker at best. I don't think there's any team in the league that actually drafts the way cowboy fans want us to draft every year.

It drives me nuts when I see guys with their mock drafts like so:

Round 1: OL
Round 2: Safety
ROund 3: DL...ect.

Nobody in the league actually does that. Any GM who assigns what position he's going to pick prior to knowing what players are on the board is completely incompetent.

[nickjamesw43]

Originally Posted by nickjamesw43

My understanding of it is they assign a grade of 1-100 to each player. I remember Jerry saying they had Mendenhall as a 96 and Felix as a 95. Watching the show Broaddus says both Merriman and Ware had a grade of 100.

Need is a tie breaker at best. I don't think there's any team in the league that actually drafts the way cowboy fans want us to draft every year.

It drives me nuts when I see guys with their mock drafts like so:

Round 1: OL
Round 2: Safety
ROund 3: DL...ect.

Nobody in the league actually does that. Any GM who assigns what position he's going to pick prior to knowing what players are on the board is completely incompetent.

Actually Broaddus said the last grade in the first round is a 119 and the first grade in the second round is a 120. So yeah it's not 1 to 100 like I thought perhaps I'm misremembering jones here. The podcast is definitely worth a listen but it's long.

Edit: Apparently they had lesean McCoy as a first round grade in 09 but traded down out of the second round instead of taking him. There's a ton of inside stuff here.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

And I think the Cowboys have done that, i.e. gone for the superior prospect as opposed to drafting for need, the last couple drafts to a great extent.

I think they have too. Though I certainly don't agree with their value board at times. Like Claiborne being more value than 14 and 45.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by nickjamesw43

It drives me nuts when I see guys with their mock drafts like so:

Round 1: OL
Round 2: Safety
ROund 3: DL...ect.

Nobody in the league actually does that. Any GM who assigns what position he's going to pick prior to knowing what players are on the board is completely incompetent.

People should have to read that before getting into the draft zone.

More and more fans seem to want to treat the draft like it's an extension of veteran free agency. If they don't come right out and cry for need they'll talk in code like "first year production" or "BPA amongst needs".

There's only one right way to approach the draft and that's letting the scouts earn their money, stick to that board and pick accordingly. Do that and in time you'll find yourself a whole lot less needy and always "be in a position to draft BPA". Another one of my favorites.

Or you'll need to revamp your scouting department.