Speculation: Garrett quietly resisting offensive coordinator hire

[BHendri5]

Chris Mortenson is not a credible guy, he reported a few weeks ago that Mariuccii was getting back into coaching and Mooch refuted it on the NFL network and said he did not know where Mort got that from.

So Mort is a lier, I would not believe anything he says, I never did anyway.

[nalam]

Originally Posted by junk

at the bets.

The offensive play caller thing is the key to this offseason at this point. Garrett has a pretty solid record of being able to put a middle of the pack scoring offense on the field. He did OK getting the team to play hard in spite of the injuries, but needs to turn the reins of the offense over to someone outside the organization.

Actually Garretts play calling is based on the cowboys 90's team which was much superior in offensive talent in OL and most areas and executed much better. If he can get execution of the same scale his playcalling will be more successful, but he wont get that kind of superiority now. that is were his fault lies. If his team can't impose its will then he doesn't have alternatives, if they take what the opposition gives , they shoot themselves in the foot with untimely penalties ,drops , missing assignments , interception etc.. Moreover he doesn't call plays to make better use of the talent available.

Thats why I want an experienced playcaller ,in todays NFL, who could quickly adjust to the opposing defenses and plays to the strength of personnel.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by nalam

Actually Garretts play calling is based on the cowboys 90's team which was much superior in offensive talent in OL and most areas and executed much better. If he can get execution of the same scale his playcalling will be more successful, but he wont get that kind of superiority now. that is were his fault lies. If his team can't impose its will then he doesn't have alternatives, if they take what the opposition gives , they shoot themselves in the foot with untimely penalties ,drops , missing assignments , interception etc.. Moreover he doesn't call plays to make better use of the talent available.

Thats why I want an experienced playcaller ,in todays NFL, who could quickly adjust to the opposing defenses and plays to the strength of personnel.

In what way is the play calling based on the play calling from the 90s team, exactly?

[Clove]

I don't believe the story is true because if YOU'RE the owner & GM, you say what's going to happen, and that's that.

If it's me, the conversation would go sort of like this.

Garrett, your offense ain't worth a poop, you can't win, the only way I keep you here is if you get a new play caller, with his own offensive play design. I'm not taking request at the time, just get it done or see your way out the door.

Case closed.

[Galian Beast]

All I know is Garrett is holding this team back. Normally when you are a midranking scoring offense, you would do something to get better. Unfortunately we've made no attempts to get any elite offensive coaching talents since Garrett has been here. Not a single one. We let Marty Morningweg sign with the Jets of all teams... Would have been perfect here. And he almost always has a top 10 offense.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

All I know is Garrett is holding this team back. Normally when you are a midranking scoring offense, you would do something to get better. Unfortunately we've made no attempts to get any elite offensive coaching talents since Garrett has been here. Not a single one. We let Marty Morningweg sign with the Jets of all teams... Would have been perfect here. And he almost always has a top 10 offense.

Didnt you get the memo?

It was the defense holding back the great Garrett, no problems at all with the offense.

Or so I am told by a certain few posters on this site.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

All I know is Garrett is holding this team back. Normally when you are a midranking scoring offense, you would do something to get better. Unfortunately we've made no attempts to get any elite offensive coaching talents since Garrett has been here. Not a single one. We let Marty Morningweg sign with the Jets of all teams... Would have been perfect here. And he almost always has a top 10 offense.

Yep, that's a fair question.

I have no issue at with the replacement of Ryan. I like the Kiffin hire more now that Marinelli is along. 4-3/3-4.....you still need reinforcements on the DL in either case. 4-3 might give a guy like Wilbur a better chance to succeed as I think he fits better in a 4-3.

I would like to know the plan for the move to a 4-3. I'd like to hear someone come out and say they felt the personnel fit was better or it was done due to Spencer's contract. Otherwise, it feels like making a change just to make a change which this franchise has done way too much of.

Back to your original question.....why no changes yet on the offensive side of the ball? I'll be really disappointed if the change is simply to let Callahan call plays or to swap out the RB coach. Garrett has had one dominant offense in his time here (2007) when he had Sparano as training wheels. Since, he's only shown the ability to field an offense that generates a lot of yards, but not a lot of points. He is pretty consistent there and if defense needed to be addressed, then offense certainly needs to be. A fresh voice from the outside, preferably a guy who has some skins on the wall in terms of game management and has shown an ability to adapt his offense to the personnel on the field, would be ideal.

[CowboyRoy]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

Garrett calling the plays is not the problem. Execution, primarily among to OL and DL was.

The DL had talent to be great, but the coaches did not get the best out of them. Hence, enters in a new DL coach. I'm confident the new coaches on D will teach them well and get them to execute to their abilities.

On the OL we don't need a new coach. The tale t was sub-par, and Callahan got as much as he could out of them. Callahan did this despite being challenged to teach them a new scheme, while missing mant players on the practice field due to injury. Still the talent was lacking and that's why execution on the OL was the issue.

[View Full Quote]So all in all, we need better talent on the OL, not a new play caller. If we have that then Callahan, I'm cofident, will coach them up to execute to their abilities. With that we will then finally have the threat of the running game which will make all the difference in executing the whole offense successfully, just as Garrett has been calling it all along.

That's the God's honest Truth, like it or not!

time to face reality. Garrett is aweful at play calling. And who's fault do you think it is that the offense doesnt execute? Maybe the head coach? Maybe the OC?

Little to no play action passing, only uses hurry up when we are down by 14 when its what Romo does the best, abondones the run game at the drop of a hat, little to no WR screens, crossing patterns, deep passes, ect...ect... Clock management is aweful, doenst throw the red flag when he should, yada yada yada......the list goes on and on.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by junk

at the bets.

The offensive play caller thing is the key to this offseason at this point. Garrett has a pretty solid record of being able to put a middle of the pack scoring offense on the field. He did OK getting the team to play hard in spite of the injuries, but needs to turn the reins of the offense over to someone outside the organization.

/discussion

[slomoxn]

Originally Posted by junk

Yep, that's a fair question.

I have no issue at with the replacement of Ryan. I like the Kiffin hire more now that Marinelli is along. 4-3/3-4.....you still need reinforcements on the DL in either case. 4-3 might give a guy like Wilbur a better chance to succeed as I think he fits better in a 4-3.

I would like to know the plan for the move to a 4-3. I'd like to hear someone come out and say they felt the personnel fit was better or it was done due to Spencer's contract. Otherwise, it feels like making a change just to make a change which this franchise has done way too much of.

[View Full Quote]Back to your original question.....why no changes yet on the offensive side of the ball? I'll be really disappointed if the change is simply to let Callahan call plays or to swap out the RB coach. Garrett has had one dominant offense in his time here (2007) when he had Sparano as training wheels. Since, he's only shown the ability to field an offense that generates a lot of yards, but not a lot of points. He is pretty consistent there and if defense needed to be addressed, then offense certainly needs to be. A fresh voice from the outside, preferably a guy who has some skins on the wall in terms of game management and has shown an ability to adapt his offense to the personnel on the field, would be ideal.

The past year those stats are from throwing like crazy late in the game to mount comebacks, so that stat is really not very impressive as much as a necessary evil due to failure for previous play calling and obvious lack of successful game planning. Stat in question is yardage gained, sorry.

[junk]

Originally Posted by slomoxn

The past year those stats are from throwing like crazy late in the game to mount comebacks, so that stat is really not very impressive as much as a necessary evil due to failure for previous play calling and obvious lack of successful game planning. Stat in question is yardage gained, sorry.

I think that is what I was saying? I don't care about yards if they do not correlate to points.

Historically, you can go back and look at Garrett's offenses over the years and see that he has an ability to generate yards, but not points that correspond with those yards.

[punchnjudy]

I never heard of a football coach quietly resisting anything before. How's he doing that? Is he sitting in a wheelchair pressing a bell with a nasty scowl on his face?

[BHendri5]

Originally Posted by nalam

Actually Garretts play calling is based on the cowboys 90's team which was much superior in offensive talent in OL and most areas and executed much better. If he can get execution of the same scale his playcalling will be more successful, but he wont get that kind of superiority now. that is were his fault lies. If his team can't impose its will then he doesn't have alternatives, if they take what the opposition gives , they shoot themselves in the foot with untimely penalties ,drops , missing assignments , interception etc.. Moreover he doesn't call plays to make better use of the talent available.

Thats why I want an experienced playcaller ,in todays NFL, who could quickly adjust to the opposing defenses and plays to the strength of personnel.

This is true, I have been saying every since Garrett took over as the OC. His goal is to build another 90's type team. He has had the physical size but not the intelligence or the mental toughness, or the execution to make his play calling become successful.

[Heisenberg]

Originally Posted by punchnjudy

I never heard of a football coach quietly resisting anything before. How's he doing that? Is he sitting in a wheelchair pressing a bell with a nasty scowl on his face?

*dingdingdingdingding* BOOM!

[pancakeman]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Yea, I dont think just making the playoffs and then pulling a Peyton is going to sit good with Jerry.

I think Garrett has to win a playoff game to keep his job, after all that is what Wade did, win a playoff game in his 3rd season.

If Garrett is as good as his supporters say he is, then it should be no problem to at least match what Wade did, right?

You think if the Cowboys had a season like the Broncos just did, Jerry would fire the coach? That would be ridiculous IMO.