Goose not liking the switch to a 4-3

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

He really is a doofus.
I called him on that statement that don't even have a weak side linebacker. I mean, Carter is a prototype Will. He emailed me back saying he was not a Will.
It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Did he really say that?

Carter played the WOLB position in college...what the heck was Goose thinking?

[SWG9]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

He's been playing DE since he's been in the league (nickel/Dime). Hell, even in the 3-4 he's basically been a DE that stands up.

Goose is a freaking moron.

IDK, Goose was responsible for drafting DeMarcus Ware. I'd take what he says somewhat seriously.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by SWG9

IDK, Goose was responsible for drafting DeMarcus Ware. I'd take what he says somewhat seriously.

Explain.

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by CowboyChris

Goose on with Norm. great listen

you need 8 DL in place, we have 8 LB's, lot harder to find DL than LB's

Ware doesnt fit at DE
Spencer doesnt fit at all
Ratliff isnt a Warren Sapp

we dont have a 3 tech DT
we dont have a WLB
we dont have the safety in place either, really emphasizing Safety, high round pick

http://stationcaster.com/player_skin...=4891&f=987191

Comment about DL hard to find is true, but..

Ware is light for a 43 DE, but in schemes that allow for it, he can certainly play it. Ditto Spencer.

Rat's a 1 tech in a 43, so the Sapp comparison is immaterial.
Hatcher is your 3 tech.

Either of our ILBs (Lee, Carter) can play any of the 3 43 LB spots. They're that good and fast. In a classic Miami 43 (Tampa not too far removed from the Miami), you get your WLB by drafting an oversized SS. They're not hard to find. It certainly wouldn't hurt you to try Ernie Sims at WLB either.

What I don't get is this laser like focus on a 4 man front, when in all probability, this first year we're going to play a mix of fronts.

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

He really is a doofus.
I called him on that statement that don't even have a weak side linebacker. I mean, Carter is a prototype Will. He emailed me back saying he was not a Will.
It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Carter isn't just a prototype Will, he's a prototype 46 adjuster.

The 46 adjuster has to be able to play line technique, LB technique, and run down the field with 3rd wide receivers on the field, as well as TEs.

46 places extreme demands on the stock 4-3 positions of WLB and SS, and he could do it.

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Of course, in the early 2000s, Goose proclaimed the Arizona line with Leonard Davis at LT as the future of the NFL. That the line subsequently never held up to the promise posed by all the high end draft choices poured into it, shouldn't surprise anyone, as it was picked for size as opposed to athleticism. But that's a classic Goose proclamation when it comes to football.

Goose is a good sports reporter, well respected by his peers. He's not very good at analyzing football.

D-

[Joe Rod]

Why did this nimrod go away from the draft? He went from being a good source of information to just another jackwad that spews baseless opinionated drivel.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Joe Rod

Why did this nimrod go away from the draft? He went from being a good source of information to just another jackwad that spews baseless opinionated drivel.

Because newspapers are dinosaurs and subscriptions are endangered. The only way to make up revenue lost is traffic clicks. The way to get those is to be paparazzi sensationalistic in what you report.

[noshame]

The 4-3 isn't so much about the "right size" player, it's about playmakers. It's about unburdening guys and letting them go to the ball.

Welcome back!

[CowboyChris]

if anyone listened to that interview, Goose was for the most part quoting what Dungy had said about our personnel, those werent all his opinions.

The part about Ware was pretty much his opinion, comparing it to Derrick Thomas when he used to cover KC, that when KC made the switch Thomas' numbers fell off dramatically, DE would be to physical for Ware.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by CowboyChris

if anyone listened to that interview, Goose was for the most part quoting what Dungy had said about our personnel, those werent all his opinions.

The part about Ware was pretty much his opinion, comparing it to Derrick Thomas when he used to cover KC, that when KC made the switch Thomas' numbers fell off dramatically, DE would be to physical for Ware.

Ware bench presses over 400 pounds. He's hardly a daisy.

[junk]

Originally Posted by dwmyers

Comment about DL hard to find is true, but..

Ware is light for a 43 DE, but in schemes that allow for it, he can certainly play it. Ditto Spencer.

Rat's a 1 tech in a 43, so the Sapp comparison is immaterial.
Hatcher is your 3 tech.

Either of our ILBs (Lee, Carter) can play any of the 3 43 LB spots. They're that good and fast. In a classic Miami 43 (Tampa not too far removed from the Miami), you get your WLB by drafting an oversized SS. They're not hard to find. It certainly wouldn't hurt you to try Ernie Sims at WLB either.

What I don't get is this laser like focus on a 4 man front, when in all probability, this first year we're going to play a mix of fronts.

No matter what scheme the team chose to employ this year, they needed to get better along the defensive front. Staying 3-4 would have meant upgrades/reinforcements at NT/DE/OLB. 4-3 means DT and DE.

The linebackers, in my opinion, really aren't a concern. 4-3 OLBs are fairly easy to find IMO. What I would do though is have Carter work at both WOLB and in the middle. I don't think Dallas has a good option for the Tampa 2 MLB position other than Lee and Carter. And with their injury history, it is a concern. I'd feel more comfortable moving Carter over in case of a Lee injury and backfilling WOLB than to try to fill in someone at MLB.

This is, of course, a moot point provided McSurdy fully recovers from his injury.

[Chocolate Lab]

His argument about Carter was that with his size, he'd be best on the strong side handling the tight end.

I'm with those who wouldn't be shocked if Carter plays in the middle and Lee on the weakside, as when Quarles was the mike and Brooks the will in later years at Tampa. You'd still probably expect Lee in the middle, but the other way could happen.

[Dodger12]

Originally Posted by SWG9

IDK, Goose was responsible for drafting DeMarcus Ware. I'd take what he says somewhat seriously.

Originally Posted by Hostile

Explain.

I think this is what SWG9 is referring to. It was brought up by Bluestang in another thread some time ago. I never heard the interview so I can't speak to it's content, just providing the link that I think is being referred to in this thread.

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Just an interesting tidbit here about the drafting of Demarcus Ware:

Mickey Spagnola offered his account of the story on Talkin' Cowboys this offseason. There was a big divide amongst scouts and coaches on who the first pick would be. As you guys know Parcells wanted Spears and the other half wanted Ware. Spagnola had a conversation with Rich Gooselin of the DMN and Gooselin had shown Mickey his own scouting report of DeMarcus Ware and was so impressed by it he told Goose that he should show it to Jerry Jones. Goose did so and Jerry Jones presented it the next day to everyone in their meeting and then subsequently the group decided that Ware would be the first pick.

[cboyd]

We are a couple of drafts from getting the players to run the 4-3, we need a defensive end(if Spencer leaves), we need a defensive tackle to compliment Spencer, we need a SLB, and we need a playmaking centerfield type safety. At the same time we also have a lot of pieces to run the 4-3. I think this year will be a little bit of a transition, but too say its a total transition is just BS, we will be fine

[junk]

Originally Posted by Dodger12

I think this is what SWG9 is referring to. It was brought up by Bluestang in another thread some time ago. I never heard the interview so I can't speak to it's content, just providing the link that I think is being referred to in this thread.

I forgot about this. They got lucky with Ware, but it illustrates how screwed up the Dallas front office is that they are being influenced by a write up from a newspaper guy.

If true, it is a sad indictment of the state of the Dallas front office. By far, the most beneficial thing to this team would be a qualified GM, with a long term vision, leading the personnel acquistion efforts.