How far we really are

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Offensive Line.

Oh. The one Garrett built? Gotcha.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

Oh. The one Garrett built? Gotcha.

Yep, the one he built that had 4 different Centers in 2012, and almost 5, three different ones started. The one that started a guy acquired 3 days before the season who had 3 practices before he was in our starting lineup. The one that had its RT mail it in until the Head Coach lit a fire under him by taking away some of his starting time. The one that started the off season with an injury to the RG that kept him out and limited for much of the off season. The one that had exactly one game where the projected starting 5 all played together and had their best rushing day of the year.

That one.

Do you even watch the games?

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Yep, the one he built that had 4 different Centers in 2012, and almost 5, three different ones started. The one that started a guy acquired 3 days before the season who had 3 practices before he was in our starting lineup. The one that had its RT mail it in until the Head Coach lit a fire under him by taking away some of his starting time. The one that started the off season with an injury to the RG that kept him out and limited for much of the off season. The one that had exactly one game where the projected starting 5 all played together and had their best rushing day of the year.

That one.

Do you even watch the games?

I do watch games. Do you? Nate Livings. Phil Costa. Mackenzie Bernadeu. Doug Free. That is the garbage we're putting in front of our All Pro QB. That is the line that your savior chose built. Not to mention all the failed draft picks he oversaw.



Keep making excuses as to why that pig doesn't look sexy no matter how much perfume you put on it.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

I do watch games. Do you? Nate Livings. Phil Costa. Mackenzie Bernadeu. Doug Free. That is the garbage we're putting in front of our All Pro QB. That is the line that your savior chose built. Not to mention all the failed draft picks he oversaw.



Keep making excuses as to why that pig doesn't look sexy no matter how much perfume you put on it.

My savior is someone else entirely. Pity you watch but can't see.

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by Hostile

My savior is someone else entirely. Pity you watch but can't see.

Likewise. You actually think Costa and McKenzie are cogs to a Championship line.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

Likewise. You actually think Costa and McKenzie are cogs to a Championship line.

Actually, I don't. Maybe you should pay attention rather than trying to assign me thoughts.

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Actually, I don't. Maybe you should pay attention rather than trying to assign me thoughts.

I asked what was holding us back. You said offensive line. I said oh the one Garrett built. You said yeah but omg injuries!

If you agree that the line Garrett built, even when healthy, isn't good enough, why make excuses for them?



spin away, superfan

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!

Until Reality and Hos can send me to a good school to learn the communicative arts, pls dont minimize me as a human being.
Not ever body can go to a Ivy Leaf school like you. My daddy abandoned me in a mining town before he left for Boliva and schooling in Farmers Branch is, in a good day, barely enouf to get me into vocational school and junior college. As Edgar Hoover once said, do not judge based on your record but on the content of your soul. I am a good man. I do not hurt people. I just love my Cowboys. If my grammAr bothers you so much then teach me, do not be little me. I half much to offer and strive to not make peples feel bad. That to me is a model for living in the 20 first century..
If you can judge me from your ivery tower at a Ivy leaf school that is your purgatory. Just do not focus on my grammAr; focus on my message and my team, the Dallas Cowboys.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

Fix the offensive line, defensive line and safety position. And please draft a QB.

[cowboyeric8]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

I asked what was holding us back. You said offensive line. I said oh the one Garrett built. You said yeah but omg injuries!

If you agree that the line Garrett built, even when healthy, isn't good enough, why make excuses for them?



spin away, superfan

You are choosing to be ignorant.

[cannonball44]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Yep, the one he built that had 4 different Centers in 2012, and almost 5, three different ones started. The one that started a guy acquired 3 days before the season who had 3 practices before he was in our starting lineup. The one that had its RT mail it in until the Head Coach lit a fire under him by taking away some of his starting time. The one that started the off season with an injury to the RG that kept him out and limited for much of the off season. The one that had exactly one game where the projected starting 5 all played together and had their best rushing day of the year.

That one.

Do you even watch the games?

If Rob Ryans injury excuses werent acceptable........ what are we supposed to take from this, for garrett?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by OklahomaCowboy88

I asked what was holding us back. You said offensive line. I said oh the one Garrett built. You said yeah but omg injuries!

If you agree that the line Garrett built, even when healthy, isn't good enough, why make excuses for them?



spin away, superfan

So, let me get this straight. You don't see the OL as a problem?


Edit...oops, I guess you can't answer.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by cannonball44

If Rob Ryans injury excuses werent acceptable........ what are we supposed to take from this, for garrett?

I didn't say Rob Ryan's injury excuses were unacceptable, nor that these injuries are.

Was the OL good enough? No. Largely due to so many injuries. Is that not a fact? If it is true, why are you upset about it? Regardless of their injuries I want to see them get better personnel there. Remember, I am the guy who has in recent years been stumping for Mike Iupati and David DeCastro. I haven't changed one iota. Give me Chance Warmack if he falls. Give me Jonathon Cooper or Barrett Jones if Warmack doesn't. I'd love the big kid from Kentucky in the 2nd and DL in the 1st.

Did the Defense have too many injuries to overcome? Yes. Clearly that was the case. Only a fool would think otherwise. But regardless of how many injuries they sustained they still did not get the job done. We were 1-3 against rookie QBs and the lone win took overtime to pull off. We gave up 400 points and the most yards we ever have. We had the fewest takeaways we have ever had. Is this good enough for you? If you say yes I will confess to being amazed at the myopia that takes.

To be contenders we have to fix the OL and we have to get takeaways from the Defense and they have to hold opponents to better than a 25 points per game average.

Do you disagree? If not, then what exactly is the problem with my opinions other than they are mine?

[CashMan]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I didn't say Rob Ryan's injury excuses were unacceptable, nor that these injuries are.

Was the OL good enough? No. Largely due to so many injuries. Is that not a fact? If it is true, why are you upset about it? Regardless of their injuries I want to see them get better personnel there. Remember, I am the guy who has in recent years been stumping for Mike Iupati and David DeCastro. I haven't changed one iota. Give me Chance Warmack if he falls. Give me Jonathon Cooper or Barrett Jones if Warmack doesn't. I'd love the big kid from Kentucky in the 2nd and DL in the 1st.

[View Full Quote]Did the Defense have too many injuries to overcome? Yes. Clearly that was the case. Only a fool would think otherwise. But regardless of how many injuries they sustained they still did not get the job done. We were 1-3 against rookie QBs and the lone win took overtime to pull off. We gave up 400 points and the most yards we ever have. We had the fewest takeaways we have ever had. Is this good enough for you? If you say yes I will confess to being amazed at the myopia that takes.

To be contenders we have to fix the OL and we have to get takeaways from the Defense and they have to hold opponents to better than a 25 points per game average.

Do you disagree? If not, then what exactly is the problem with my opinions other than they are mine?

If a player is bad, and gets injuries, it still doesn't take away from him being bad. The only good player on the Oline is Smith. Miles has been injured for the past 2 years.
As for the defense Church is not a good player, you can not count on Carter since he is injured all the time, Ratliff started the year injured played a handful of games, and then got hurt again. Scandrick just plain sucks, Coleman is an avg player you can replace, the only one you can actually argue is Lee. He played most of the year last year, you knew what he is capable of, and he was/is a part of the defense.

This team has some talent, but is no where close on talent as these playoff teams.

My question to people who use this injury argument is: What do you get out of believing it?

Every team has injuries, I would go so far to say, the Ravens had the worst of it, having Suggs coming off an Achilles injury and Lewis on IR until the playoffs after 6 games.

[burmafrd]

Injuries or the plain simple fact that we have mostly JAGs on the O line.

Bernie and Livings - your two pickups supposedly on Red Balls approval.

Dumpster diving.

No draft picks last year on the O line.

So yes Red Ball HAS responsibility for the content of the O line no matter how much hoss tries to shift the question.