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Old 01-22-2013   #31
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I believe it is 4 and 3. With his income I doubt it is an issue. The 4 kids are family and I am sure he treats them as such. Nothing says he has to spend time with each of them alone. Why can't he spend time with all 4 of them at the same time.
I think it is 6 kids, 4 women, .. none his wife.

Money does not make a man a dad.

I'm talking about being there in the night if they are sick or have a nightmare. Being there on Christmas morning. Jumping in bed with Mom and Dad in the morning. Never missing a school function, a dance recital, a sports game that they are involved in.

Anyone can be a father, being there for your children is what makes a father a "Dad".

Tough to do when your child does not live with you.
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Hats off to welker's wife.

She is right.

More people should call out this egomaniac and the networks and advertisers that obsess over him.
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No one knows what happened that night and yet people speak as if they know exactly what happened. She was out of line and should've kept her mouth shut, but why did she not bring up her husband dropping a big pass in a game, or Giselle calling him out last year?
Can't disagree with that.
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Ray Lewis and his two buddies stabbed two people to death... Lewis got off with a plea bargain because he testified against his friends. Then he paid off the families.

Vick ran a dog fighting ring and went to jail.

The difference is perception. You'll never go without a comment about Vick but nobody says anything bad about Ray because he plays angry and is a hall of famer. People look at Ray as a role model because of his play on the field and supposedly devout "christian" but let's not forget had that whole murder thing he was never punished for and has 6 kids with 4 different women and was never married to atleast 3 of them....

Plenty of people make mistakes, very horrible ones actually. But it's absolutely ridiculous that a person can get away with murder because of money.
I think you arn't quite familiar with reality. "Paying off the families" has nothing to do with criminal court. You say Lewis got off with a plea bargain, but you fail to mention none of the three (he or his two friends that he testified against) were convicted because the court ruled it was self defense, as it wasn't just like he and two buddies decided to go take out a knife and find someone to stab. You complete misrepresent what happened when you take stupid stances like that one. There's also no proof that he was the one that stabbed the person.. so calling him a murderer is also incorrect.

You also fail to mention all the needy families and disadvantaged youth he's helped over the years with his charity work.

Not suprised from some of you, to be honest.. but for such a horrible guy and a murderer, its funny how a nice guy like Peyton Manning didn't have any problem waiting for him alone in the locker room with his family to share a kodak moment after the game. He's not the person some of you want to make him out to be.. and its kind of silly the way some talk of him.

Again, i hope he gets his chamionship, and i hope to high Heaven that someday we get a player or two like him on this team.
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Ray Lewis plead guilty to obstruction of justice, went against his two entourage, and they were acquitted. Is it very possible Ray tried to protect his friends who made bad decisions in the heat of moment?

I don't have a problem with the guy for the simple fact that he's turned his life around, stopped being an immature punk, and he actually helps people. He's involved in numerous charities, gives wisdom to his younger teammates in the hopes that they can avoid the same missteps he took, and through it all doesn't take credit for accomplishments and remains humble.

WHY do people continue to harp on something that happened so long ago, and ignore all the good the man has done to redeem himself? It shows the lack of compassion, mercy, and understanding that we all would want if our worst decisions were put on display for the whole world to see.

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Great post.. especially the bold. I love some of the comments here. Everyone in this world seems so quick to condemn others, you see it all the time. Its a hypocritical world we live in. We've all made terrible mistakes that we don't wish others to take into account when they look at the entire picture of our lives. Yet we're still so quick to judge others and label them as monsters for their mistakes, even when they've turned their life around and have helped so many other people. Its silly stuff indeed.
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Lol at this forum. If we had a Lewis type on this team you would all be ecstatic.
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I feel the same way about Garrett, except for the play-off victory part...
I can't imagine what that might mean, but I'm sorry you're so sad about our head coach. That must be very hard for you.
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Hats off to welker's wife.

She is right.

More people should call out this egomaniac and the networks and advertisers that obsess over him.
I'll always have the highest regard for Dirk running to the lockerroom upon winning the title to have his own personal private moment rather than doing this kind of dog and pony spectacle for the cameras....



Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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I think you arn't quite familiar with reality. "Paying off the families" has nothing to do with criminal court. You say Lewis got off with a plea bargain, but you fail to mention none of the three (he or his two friends that he testified against) were convicted because the court ruled it was self defense, as it wasn't just like he and two buddies decided to go take out a knife and find someone to stab. You complete misrepresent what happened when you take stupid stances like that one. There's also no proof that he was the one that stabbed the person.. so calling him a murderer is also incorrect.

You also fail to mention all the needy families and disadvantaged youth he's helped over the years with his charity work.

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^^^This. My gosh what I would do to have a player like this in our lockeroom. I was dumbfounded when a broke down Keith Brooking...on his last NFL legs...came into our lockeroom and became the leader. It confirmed what I ALREADY knew about the Wares, Witten, Romos and Rattlifs. When you look at what our payroll is....and compare that to the results...it is no wonder Jerry is pissed. And trust me...I am not excusing Jerry for creating this mess...because somehow he thinks because he spends a lot, he should get better results. But he better start paying attention to WHO he is spending it on. We have some excellent players who pile up statistics. And they have been kept together for a long time. But this group has not won anything. Forget Super Bowl...this group has won ONE...ONE playoff game. Yet year in and year out we hear how talented this group is.

The culture in Dallas is terrible. A long hard realistic look must take place. Jason Hatcher said we CURRENTLY have the talent to win a Super Bowl....this after a season when we were the ONLY team in the NFL to not score more than 10 points in the 1st half of a game. This is one of many examples of the denial that has gone on for a LONG time in Dallas. This team has ZERO idenity. How we win and lose changes all the time. The Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Pats etc...those team have idenity. And you can see the idenity of the Seahawks and 49ers taking shape. These are the teams in the hunt year in a nd year out.

Fans have become so numb to this mediocrity that they now turn on fans who are wondering out loud "what the heck is going on". I can no longer look at Dallas as a situation where the glass is half full. We are 1 of 3 teams to not play in a NFC championship game in the last 17 years. THAT IS WHO WE ARE PEOPLE. You have been distracted with all the Sunday and Monday night appearances. All the games we play on Thanksgiving. You have been distracted by the worlds greatest stadium. The worldes largetst scoreboard. The worlds most valuable sports franchise. Those things are true. And that is ALL that is true about the Cowboys. Because they actual product on the field is medicore at BEST!!!!

So us resorting to dumping on a player like Ray Lewis (notice I did not say person, because I don't know him)...and what this ONE person has done to define an ENTIRE organization...to uplift and ENTIRE city....to stoke an ENTIRE fanbase...us dumping on him makes us look petty, jealous and envious. Which is exactly what Welker's wife looked like when she made the comments. Lastly, why would ANY Dallas fan defend a classless organization like the Pats?!

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I'll always have the highest regard for Dirk running to the lockerroom upon winning the title to have his own personal private moment rather than doing this kind of dog and pony spectacle for the cameras....


That shot was just pathetic. I agree. What a doofus.

Why doesn't anybody come out and say it? Seems like a good topic to stir up some mess over, isn't it? Will the NFL just not allow it?

Not a fan of TO's attention-whoring in any way, shape, or form, but his Ray Lewis dance might have been the funniest thing I've seen on a football field, frankly.
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No real comment on Welker's wife, but

SO glad Candice stays her classy self. I can't imagine the uproar if she went to the media to defend her husband against the rabid dogs tearing him up while he's down.
She seems above that. Hopefully she remains so.
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We've all made terrible mistakes that we don't wish others to take into account when they look at the entire picture of our lives.
I was not there when the 'murder' occurred, so I have not spoken to that at all.

But 6 kids with 4 women, none his wife, .. is not an mistake.

It is an attitude, an arrogance, it's irrresponsible, selfish and a total disrespect for women.

I really don't care one way or the other for Lewis, but my posts have actually been a response to posters on this board who seem to think that it is no big deal.
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I was not there when the 'murder' occurred, so I have not spoken to that at all.

But 6 kids with 4 women, none his wife, .. is not an mistake.

It is an attitude, an arrogance, it's irrresponsible, selfish and a total disrespect for women.

I really don't care one way or the other for Lewis, but my posts have actually been a response to posters on this board who seem to think that it is no big deal.
The numbers are not equal....but Tom Brady did have 2 model chicks pregnant at the same time. Again, not defending or applauding Ray and the situation with children out of wedlock. I have one myself, and I can tell you not a day goes by when I regret not being able to give the kid I had in high school...what I am giving the kid I have today with my wife. But from what we HEAR Ray say...being there for his kids is a priority for him.
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I was not there when the 'murder' occurred, so I have not spoken to that at all.

But 6 kids with 4 women, none his wife, .. is not an mistake.

It is an attitude, an arrogance, it's irrresponsible, selfish and a total disrespect for women.

I really don't care one way or the other for Lewis, but my posts have actually been a response to posters on this board who seem to think that it is no big deal.
it may be a big deal, it may not. but without knowing the details behind those relationships, how can you claim it to be an attitude, an arrogance, it's irrresponsible, selfish and a total disrespect for women????
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it may be a big deal, it may not. but without knowing the details behind those relationships, how can you claim it to be an attitude, an arrogance, it's irrresponsible, selfish and a total disrespect for women????
attitude - he thinks women are there just for his sexual pleasure

arrogance - I'm Ray Lewis, I can have sexual relations with no commitment

irresponsible - ever hear of a condom? .. or being a Dad?

selfish - only thinks of himself, and satisfying his own sexual desire, and not the fact that he leaves a woman to raise a child without a man in the house, or a child to grow up without a day-to-day father presence

disrespect for women - does not view women as anything more than a sexual release for him and his urges.

I have been blessed to have tremendous women in my life, .. my Mother, my older sister, my wife. All tremendous people and amazing women.

They are the reason that I aspire to be the man that I have become.

Maybe this irks me because I have so much respect for women.

I've given my .02, I'm done with this. For those that don't get it, .. that's the way it is.
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