Tyrone Crawford at DT?

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Remember Al Singleton? He was the SLB we got from Tampa Bay in 2003. (Started on that Super Bowl squad) He was 6-2 250 and not exactly a fast cover guy from what I remember.

Greg Spires was their DE (6-1 265) and he only had 3.5 sacks in 2002 for their Super Bowl run.
Warren Sapp only had 7.5 sacks that year.

Yeah I see Butler more as a Singleton type then a 4-3 edge rusher.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Remember Al Singleton? He was the SLB we got from Tampa Bay in 2003. (Started on that Super Bowl squad) He was 6-2 250 and not exactly a fast cover guy from what I remember.

Greg Spires was their DE (6-1 265) and he only had 3.5 sacks in 2002 for their Super Bowl run.
Warren Sapp only had 7.5 sacks that year.

It's not 2003. It's 2013. Tight ends are faster and used more in the passing game. Tell me how big Nick Roach is on the bears... hint 234 lbs.

You can have bigger defensive ends, but the point is the line itself needs to get after the QB. If we don't have a Warren Sapp, you're going to need better defensive ends to get after the QB. FYI, we don't have a Warren Sapp.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Exactly. In college. He will not be a DE in the NFL. Not a good one. I wouldn't even want him as a "Pass rush specialist" cuz he's not a very good pass rusher.

I'd say he is. Look at his sacks per snap, and I'm guessing he is a more efficient pass rusher than Ware.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

I'd say he is. Look at his sacks per snap, and I'm guessing he is a more efficient pass rusher than Ware.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

Butler would NOT be a DE in a 4-3.

He would actually be a better fit at WDE in the 4-3-under than an SOLB in Rob Ryan's defense.

Compare Seattle WDE Bruce Irvin to 2012 SOLB Anthony Spencer.

Having said the above, I don't expect Butler to be great at any position. He is not a great run player near the line and he does not have the speed of an off-the-line LB.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

You can have bigger defensive ends, but the point is the line itself needs to get after the QB. If we don't have a Warren Sapp, you're going to need better defensive ends to get after the QB. FYI, we don't have a Warren Sapp.

Interesting thing to me is I expect Hatch to do a Spencer and have a career year at 3 tech to get paid. Course we will lose him and probably plug in Crawford at that point, but I don't think we will be hurting at that position.

The grumpy old men crew we have up front for this new 4-3 needs a total overhaul though, but we will have to make them last long enough til we have time to pick up all the replacements.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Dan Connor is entirely too slow to play as a linebacker in a tampa 2 4-3. Entirely too slow.

Linebackers in a tampa 2 need to cover, pursue, and tackle. They aren't going to be in on the blitz much (much, being a keyword).

We absolutely need to get a strong side linebacker, we do not currently have that player on the team. I think it would be interesting to see Barry Church in that position.

Dan Connor is too slow in any defense.

[LatinMind]

Im willing to bet now Dallas doesnt even have G on its draft board in round 1.

DE will be the pick. I guess you cant really blame them with the talent that will be avail this yr at DE. Disappointing news tho.

[jobberone]

Originally Posted by xwalker

Dan Connor is too slow in any defense.

Somebody give that man a cigar!

[unionjack8]

Tyrone Crawford is your protoypical SDE. If he can stay in that 275-280 range he has enough quickness to play that role very well whilst remaining stout at the POA. Good length as well to bat balls down.
I see him as our starting SDE in september unless we go after say michael bennett or draft ansah

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by unionjack8

Tyrone Crawford is your protoypical SDE. If he can stay in that 275-280 range he has enough quickness to play that role very well whilst remaining stout at the POA. Good length as well to bat balls down.
I see him as our starting SDE in september unless we go after say michael bennett or draft ansah

You can see him as anything you want. But what the Dallas Cowboys are saying is they envision him as a DT.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

You can see him as anything you want. But what the Dallas Cowboys are saying is they envision him as a DT.

Yeah, this is the part that is being ignored in this thread.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by unionjack8

Tyrone Crawford is your protoypical SDE. If he can stay in that 275-280 range he has enough quickness to play that role very well whilst remaining stout at the POA. Good length as well to bat balls down.
I see him as our starting SDE in september unless we go after say michael bennett or draft ansah

Yep. If Red Bryant can play SDE at 320 lbs then Crawford can do it at 290.

I'd love to see him as the SDE in our base defense with Spencer at Sam. NO ONE would run to that side.

THen on passing downs have them both move down a spot (Crawford to DE/SPencer to DE).

Having SPencer at Sam would open things up for us as far as blitzes as well.


And the cowboys have NOT said "Crawford will be a DT". We'll see what Kiffin does with him, but I'd prefer a more Seattle type Tampa 2 to an old Original Tampa 2. But even then, I think Crawford can be every bit the pass rusher Spires was and a helluva lot better fun defender at the same time.

[Rack Bauer]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Yeah, this is the part that is being ignored in this thread.

All I've seen is Jerry say that he could see Crawford at a DT. Not that he WILL be a DT.

[LatinMind]

Originally Posted by Rack Bauer

All I've seen is Jerry say that he could see Crawford at a DT. Not that he WILL be a DT.

Them even mentioning it kinda tips their hat on how they see him. Probably a player better suited to provide pressure inside because he cant really provide it outside. And that basically sums up what scouts thought of him coming out of college. Thats why 3-4 teams were looking at him. Stout against the run, but limited.