Jason Garrett on How Much He is Involved in Personnel

[rickjameschinaclub]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...oney-decisions

INDIANAPOLIS -- What few people want to believe about how Jerry Jones operates the Cowboys is how much say the head coach has.

Most of the time if a head coach does or does not want a player, Jones will listen. And I realize now everybody is thinking Terrell Owens and Bill Parcells, but too many people at Valley Ranch have said that if Parcells was completely against adding Owens in 2006 that Jones would not have signed him.

Remember, Jones didn’t draft Randy Moss for a lot of reasons but one of them was Chan Gailey didn’t want him.

When the Cowboys have succeeded they have had a strong head coach in Jimmy Johnson and Parcells.

I thought Jason Garrett had a revealing answer when he was asked at the NFL scouting combine how involved he is in the money decisions.
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“I’m very involved in it,” Garrett said. “As you know the economics of the NFL is an important part of the decision making process and every player as a price tag and a price tag might be where you draft him, how are you using that resource, in our case, the 14th pick of the first round or a second round pick or a third round pick. The other price tag is just dollars. What are they going to cost you this year? What are they going to cost you in the future? How much is that player going to cost you over the lifetime of the contract? If it’s a large sum, how does that impact the rest of your football team? Every team in the league makes decisions first and foremost by evaluating the player and how he fits in on your football team. But another part of that is economics. I’m involved in the decision making process, as is Tom Ciskowski, as is the Joneses. And the evaluation comes first but the money part of the decision making process, I’m involved in a lot of those discussions.”

So Jason Garrett's failure as a head coach is because he's just a figure-head? So the OL is not on him?

[Risen Star]

I never doubted he was involved. Of course he's involved. He's the head coach.

But he doesn't make the decisions.

[rocyaice]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I never doubted he was involved. Of course he's involved. He's the head coach.

But he doesn't make the decisions.

I don't know if I totally agree. There is a difference in the type of personnel we've been drafting since Wade was fired as head coach. Maybe that's Jerry different tone? I don't know. But we do seem to be drafting guys who sort of have Jason Garrett qualities to them.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I never doubted he was involved. Of course he's involved. He's the head coach.

But he doesn't make the decisions.

It is a broken system, that's for sure.

Just look at the final four this year. Strong front offices, strong coaching and solid QB play. I think Dallas has the last. The first is a shortcoming and I'm on the fence on coaching (although it is no where near the level of Baltimore, SF or NE). Absolutely have to get better offensively though.

[Primetime42]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I never doubted he was involved. Of course he's involved. He's the head coach.

But he doesn't make the decisions.

But he has as much say as every other coach who's ever been here has.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...oney-decisions

So Jason Garrett's failure as a head coach is because he's just a figure-head? So the OL is not on him?

I doubt I'll get a straight answer, but do you realize that your question asked here is disproved by the article? A figure head is very involved?

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Primetime42

But he has as much say as every other coach who's ever been here has.

That not even remotely true.

[Risen Star]

Dave Campo would have told you he's very involved. Chan Gailey would have said it. Wade Phillips. Barry Switzer.

I don't get any point here.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I doubt I'll get a straight answer, but do you realize that your question asked here is disproved by the article? A figure head is very involved?

You obviously didn't get it... I've never called Garrett a figure-head, except 'sarcastically'... If he's very much involved, including the money operations, than the excuses that he's being hamstrung are just that, excuses. He is responsible for the 8-8 seasons through his own making.

Jerry just made a horrible decision keeping a guy he thought that could do it, but slowly realizing he can't, but is hanging on to threads that a veteran coaching staff can move him in the right direction this final year of 'proving himself'.

Not only that, he's making excuses for Garrett by arguing that he wanted JG to call plays, despite the fact we are supposedly implementing JG's complex playbook, which is based upon his profound intellect and game-calling abilities.

[LUVDABOYS]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

That not even remotely true.

Just out of curiosity, you know this for a fact? Or are you just repeating rumour for arguments sake?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

You obviously didn't get it... I've never called Garrett a figure-head, except 'sarcastically'... If he's very much involved, including the money operations, than the excuses that he's being hamstrung are just that, excuses. He is responsible for the 8-8 seasons through his own making.

Jerry just made a horrible decision keeping a guy he thought that could do it, but slowly realizing he can't, but is hanging on to threads that a veteran coaching staff can move him in the right direction this final year of 'proving himself'.

Not only that, he's making excuses for Garrett by arguing that he wanted JG to call plays, despite the fact we are supposedly implementing JG's complex playbook, which is based upon his profound intellect and game-calling abilities.

You're right and I read your post 3 times, and I still don't get what you are up in arms about.

However, of course Garrett is involved in the organization of the team and it is his blueprint, and of course he is responsible for the 8-8 seasons. He is the Head Coach, they are on his ledger. I have been trying to tell people these things for quite a while.

This is his team. Period.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by junk

It is a broken system, that's for sure.

Just look at the final four this year. Strong front offices, strong coaching and solid QB play. I think Dallas has the last. The first is a shortcoming and I'm on the fence on coaching (although it is no where near the level of Baltimore, SF or NE). Absolutely have to get better offensively though.

I don't know why people want to complicate it so much. The owner is well aware that this "unique structure" of his is the reason why the team has struggled for nearly two decades. He doesn't care. That will not change. The team will either win with him in the GM chair or it goes down with him.

That's the reality of the Dallas Cowboys as long as Jerry Jones is here. So accept that and hope he can stumble on a head coach capable of overcoming all the obstacles in his way.

Jim Harbaugh's great, right? He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of duplicating what he did in San Fran here in Dallas. Completely different situation. Sane ownership. Real personnel men. He's set up for success. None of that applies here. We set our coaches up for failure and see if they can overcome it. If they can't, fire the bum and move on to the next. As long as you change the names of the pawns in this game the fans will think you're trying.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by LUVDABOYS

Just out of curiosity, you know this for a fact? Or are you just repeating rumour for arguments sake?

Yes. I know this for a fact.

There is no rumor. Jerry Jones was not pretending to be a personnel man during the Jimmy years. If he was, the dynasty wouldn't have been built. That takes skill. Something Jerry has proven he doesn't have over the last 17 years of futility.

Jason Garrett does not have the power Jimmy had. If you believe otherwise, I suggest you brush up on the history of this team.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I don't know why people want to complicate it so much. The owner is well aware that this "unique structure" of his is the reason why the team has struggled for nearly two decades. He doesn't care. That will not change. The team will either win with him in the GM chair or it goes down with him.

That's the reality of the Dallas Cowboys as long as Jerry Jones is here. So accept that and hope he can stumble on a head coach capable of overcoming all the obstacles in his way.

Jim Harbaugh's great, right? He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of duplicating what he did in San Fran here in Dallas. Completely different situation. Sane ownership. Real personnel men. He's set up for success. None of that applies here. We set our coaches up for failure and see if they can overcome it. If they can't, fire the bum and move on to the next. As long as you change the names of the pawns in this game the fans will think you're trying.

I agree with that for the most part. My only minor disagreement would be that I do think Harbaugh is a superior coach to Garrett at the moment. He's got a lot more experience though.

[BraveHeartFan]

So many overly bitter people on here. I'd hate to see how angry and bitter some people get when it's something that either actually matters in life or that they have their own hands in.