Welkers Wife goes on Rant after loss

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Sir, you sound like a Christian man, so am I. I agree with your stance that pre-martial relations and creating children out of wedlock are the result of bad decisions. But where we differ is how we choose to judge him TODAY. Are we not called to forgive? Are we not called to treat others as we would like to be treated?

If you want to judge Ray Lewis, judge him based off the person he is today....not by the person he was yesterday. In this discussion, your morals are sound but your self-righteousness is not. When you condemn this man for what he's did YESTERDAY, when he's done everything within his ability to make amends TODAY, you're saying there is no redemption for anyone who attempts to change. That is not acceptable to me, many of the people who've commented in this discussion, and above all, the source of where your morals lie.

Agree with everything here. Expertly worded.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Sir, you sound like a Christian man, so am I. I agree with your stance that pre-martial relations and creating children out of wedlock are the result of bad decisions. But where we differ is how we choose to judge him TODAY.

I'm not judging Ray Lewis, I have made no statement about his judgement.

That is not for me to say.

He has not done anything to me so it is not up to me to forgive him either.

I said earlier in this thread I really don't care one way or the other about Ray Lewis.

Take Ray Lewis out of this equation if you want to. It doesn't change my opinion.

My point in this thread has been in response to those that say having multiple kids with multiple women is not that big of a deal. That is what brought me into this discussion.

I am not judging him or his actions, only pointing out right from wrong. His actions were only the example given.

Those type of actions are wrong.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by sacase

You continue to make a fool of yourself. I can't say how I truly feel about you but you are a piece of work. Please continue to attack people like me when you know nothing about our situation.

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

He didn't say you attacked him.. your reading comprehension skills are about on par with your logic, i see.

Are you sure you want to discuss reading comprehension?

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

Are you sure you want to discuss reading comprehension?

If you can read those two quotes you just posted and understand a difference.. we certainly can.

[sbark]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Sir, you sound like a Christian man, so am I. I agree with your stance that pre-martial relations and creating children out of wedlock are the result of bad decisions. But where we differ is how we choose to judge him TODAY. Are we not called to forgive? Are we not called to treat others as we would like to be treated?

If you want to judge Ray Lewis, judge him based off the person he is today....not by the person he was yesterday. In this discussion, your morals are sound but your self-righteousness is not. When you condemn this man for what he's did YESTERDAY, when he's done everything within his ability to make amends TODAY, you're saying there is no redemption for anyone who attempts to change. That is not acceptable to me, many of the people who've commented in this discussion, and above all, the source of where your morals lie.

Is Ray Lewis spending time in the Balt/DC area going from school to school telling kids what mistakes he's made .......and "preaching" to them not to make the same mistakes he has?.....Maybe that is what he is doing inside his Charity work--I dont know........ is there indication he is trying to prevent his role as a sports role model from being translated to being ok to the DC area Youths

Is he doing everything in his ability to make amends today?

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by sbark

Is Ray Lewis spending time in the Balt/DC area going from school to school telling kids what mistakes he's made .......and "preaching" to them not to make the same mistakes he has?.....Maybe that is what he is doing inside his Charity work--I dont know........ is there indication he is trying to prevent his role as a sports role model from being translated to being ok to the DC area Youths

Is he doing everything in his ability to make amends today?

He's created his own foundation, and is also involved in USAID.

"He established the Ray Lewis 52 Foundation to provide personal and economic assistance to disadvantaged youth. The foundation has funded such events as adopting ten families in Baltimore City community for the holidays, an annual celebrity auction and bowling tournament, the Great Maryland Duck Derby, Thanksgiving food drives on North Avenue in Baltimore and Ray’s Summer Days.

Lewis has also been involved in pressing political, business, and philanthropic leaders for a stronger commitment to disability sports both here and in the developing world."

Read more: http://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/ray-lewis

I found that within two minutes with google. I'm sure there may be more, although that is certainly more than the vast majority of Americans do.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Congrats to Welker - she is hot.

yeah and he is nothing special, he did well for himself

of course she didn't date him because he was a football player, she truly thought he was a nice guy and definitely would have gone out with him if he were just a cook at Hooters.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

I'm not judging Ray Lewis, I have made no statement about his judgement.

That is not for me to say.

He has not done anything to me so it is not up to me to forgive him either.

I said earlier in this thread I really don't care one way or the other about Ray Lewis.

Take Ray Lewis out of this equation if you want to. It doesn't change my opinion.

My point in this thread has been in response to those that say having multiple kids with multiple women is not that big of a deal. That is what brought me into this discussion.

I am not judging him or his actions, only pointing out right from wrong. His actions were only the example given.

Those type of actions are wrong.

um isn't saying something is "wrong" a judgment?

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by RoyTheHammer

He didn't say you attacked him.. your reading comprehension skills are about on par with your logic, i see.

BTW.. the post above yours that i quoted here.. you should read it. We all get your point, its not complicated.. most just don't agree with you.

he clearly implied he viewed this as a personal attack on himself

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by sacase

You continue to make a fool of yourself. I can't say how I truly feel about you but you are a piece of work. Please continue to attack people like me when you know nothing about our situation.

Here is a hint, I have a son, lives in another state, I was never married to his mother. Please go to my son and tell him that his father is really just a cool uncle who used to let him play with Army stuff and take him to cool places every now and then. The self righteousness on this site is appalling, the mods really need to get rid of a lot of posters.

good for you.

now go do it 3 more times, and I will happily point out how you don't seem to learn from bad decisions.

[Diogenes]

Sancitmonious jealousy.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

good for you.

now go do it 3 more times, and I will happily point out how you don't seem to learn from bad decisions.

what bad decision has he made that he should learn from???

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Sancitmonious jealousy.

same for vick bashers I guess. They are just jealous.

And don't dare criticize Rattlif and his dui.

like it or not, (I like it), society looks down on those people that sleep around and have children while not belonging to a committed relationship.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

same for vick bashers I guess. They are just jealous.

And don't dare criticize Rattlif and his dui.

like it or not, (I like it), society looks down on those people that sleep around and have children while not belonging to a committed relationship.

and you know for a fact that is what happened with Ray Lewis?? you know the details behind each of his kids?

[Eric_Boyer]

Originally Posted by rocboy22

what bad decision has he made that he should learn from???

if you can't figure that out by now, I'm not wasting time explaining the obvious.

for the others, society has certain views on what constitutes a good role model. Ray Lewis will never be one for the vast majority living in this country (yay!!!)