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BHendri5 · 01-23-2013

There is this one thing that some people are leaving out, Jerry wanted Garrett to be the play caller, Garrett tried hiring Paul Chryst to be the OC, after the 2010 season, but Chryst did not want to leave Wisconsin at the time, I believe it had to do with his children school situation, also at the same time, Texas was trying to lure Chryst here as well.

Chryst stayed at Wisconsin, and now he is the head coach for the Pitt panthers.
I do not believe for one minute that Garrett fought to keep calling the plays, I believe that Jerry was the one that kept insisting that Garrett be the play caller.

I do not believe that Calahan will be the play caller, I have a feeling that Jimmy Robinson will be the play caller. I've mentioned this to other Cowboys fans before that They should let Robinson call the plays.

Redball Express · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by DFWJC

Look at the final four teams in the playoffs this year and, once again, all the teams had a separate Head Coach and OC.

This is a good thing for both Garrett and the Cowboys.

..bad thing for Garrett.

Considered when he was brought here from Miami it was to be THE OC first and foremost and he's now losing that title due to non-performance.

I give it to Jones..he tries to give people a chance and he does spend the money to help this team win.

Unfortunately, I think not enough blame is placed on the players and coaches when they lose and too much credit is given to them when they win.

But that is the nature of professional football. At it's highest levels, it's a thing of beauty, filled with noble virtues and agendas.

At it's lower levels, it's a cruel way to make a living. Hard on the body, hard on the head like with the recent suicides, traffic manslaughter accidents, bounty-hunting suspensions, etc.

This season has been like few others I've ever seen as far as costs and failures. And not much has changed.

So for me..Garrett needs to be the next change and we need a fresh start. Right now I see the Redskins and Eagles and Jints WAY WAY ahead of us in the race to the SB with no real improvements to speak of.

There are no Jimmy Johnson Arkansas buddies out there for Jerry Jones to reel in and cure what ills us.

Too bad.

RedBaLL EXPreSS

Kristen82 · 01-23-2013

That they took playcalling away from him might hurt his chances of finding an OC position on another team next season.

Hoofbite · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by Kristen82

That they took playcalling away from him might hurt his chances of finding an OC position on another team next season.

Likely help his chances in keeping his HC job though.

DOUBLE WING · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by BHendri5

There is this one thing that some people are leaving out, Jerry wanted Garrett to be the play caller, Garrett tried hiring Paul Chryst to be the OC, after the 2010 season, but Chryst did not want to leave Wisconsin at the time, I believe it had to do with his children school situation, also at the same time, Texas was trying to lure Chryst here as well.

Chryst stayed at Wisconsin, and now he is the head coach for the Pitt panthers.
I do not believe for one minute that Garrett fought to keep calling the plays, I believe that Jerry was the one that kept insisting that Garrett be the play caller.

My question for people who buy into this theory, is why wasn't Wade "forced" to call his own defense if Jerry is so hell bent on his head coaches being coordinators on one side of the ball?

whynot · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

My question for people who buy into this theory, is why wasn't Wade "forced" to call his own defense if Jerry is so hell bent on his head coaches being coordinators on one side of the ball?

He was.

Remember what happened after Brian Stewart was fired?

Hoofbite · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by whynot

He was.

Remember what happened after Brian Stewart was fired?

I think the question would apply to the time before Stewart was fired.

zrinkill · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

iced our own kicker.

The ref iced the kicker ..... not Jason

jjktkk · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by whynot

He was.

Remember what happened after Brian Stewart was fired?

Oops. The Jerry hate is so strong with some posters, they forget about some facts.

ConstantReboot · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Green Bay won it two years ago with the exact same structure as Garrett and Callahan this year. So that must have been the year that everybody should have done that.

I think you're reading too much into it. Garrett calling plays had no negative impact on our season.

IF thats the case it didn't have any positive impact whatsoever as well.

whynot · 01-24-2013

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

I think the question would apply to the time before Stewart was fired.

Sure, but Jones continued to have Wade call the plays right up until he fired Wade, without hiring a new DC.

That being the case it doesn't sound unreasonable to me that JJ would have wanted Garrett to call the plays when he was hired to be HC.

Hoofbite · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by whynot

Sure, but Jones continued to have Wade call the plays right up until he fired Wade, without hiring a new DC.

That being the case it doesn't sound unreasonable to me that JJ would have wanted Garrett to call the plays when he was hired to be HC.

Jerry said he wanted his HC to call the plays for one side of the ball.

That didn't happen in 2007 or 2008.

That happened with Wade in 2009 and 2010. I would say the only reason it did happen in 2009 was because Wade was trying to save his job by putting on this big and bad "toughy" face and part of that included taking more authority over what happened on game day.

Happened with Garrett in 2011 and 2012.

The unreasonable part comes in when Jerry says that he had a change of heart regarding Jason calling the plays now because offenses have become so complex that it's better if Jason delegate the task to someone else.

When did this happen? When did offenses become too complex?

I think its unreasonable to assume that Jerry really cares one way or the other so long as the results are good. If not, then he cares.

Don't think for a moment that if Dallas were to go out and hire a HC who had some serious play calling credentials that he wouldn't change his tune and say that he prefers the HC call his own plays again.

**Idgit** · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Jerry said he wanted his HC to call the plays for one side of the ball.

That didn't happen in 2007 or 2008.

That happened with Wade in 2009 and 2010. I would say the only reason it did happen in 2009 was because Wade was trying to save his job by putting on this big and bad "toughy" face and part of that included taking more authority over what happened on game day.

Happened with Garrett in 2011 and 2012.

The unreasonable part comes in when Jerry says that he had a change of heart regarding Jason calling the plays now because offenses have become so complex that it's better if Jason delegate the task to someone else.

When did this happen? When did offenses become too complex?

I think its unreasonable to assume that Jerry really cares one way or the other so long as the results are good. If not, then he cares.

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Or maybe he thinks JG has more general strengths after seeing him on the job that his skills are better used elsewhere. He likes the way he game plans and prepares the team, but doesn't think he's especially strong right now on game day. Maybe he thinks we need more attention to detail elsewhere, and that we've got someone in Callahan who can do as good a job with the actual play calling.

All this going round and round over who calls the plays is probably not that big a deal, one way or another, at the end of the day. And in any event, there are elements going into the decision making that we just know nothing about, so all the certain conclusions notwithstanding, it's really only uninformed speculation we've got to go on right now, and nothing to get all that worked up about.

cowboyeric8 · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by zrinkill

The ref iced the kicker ..... not Jason

Also I would like to point out that Joe D was screaming at him to call a timeout. What was Garrett supposed to do ignore the coach that has his unit out there?

My gosh let that go people. No one was at fault really, we missed a kick, stuff happens.

**Idgit** · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by cowboyeric8

Also I would like to point out that Joe D was screaming at him to call a timeout. What was Garrett supposed to do ignore the coach that has his unit out there?

My gosh let that go people. No one was at fault really, we missed a kick, stuff happens.

The iced kicker criticism is second only to criticism of how we challenge plays when it comes to dumb things to complain about re: our head coach. I don't understand how people evaluate things so badly, especially when there are valid criticisms to be had.