Tough pill for me and fellow Garrett supporters to swallow...

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

And I knew you would be gracious and forthcoming. You somehow got drug into this, and I apologize for that.

My point is so many toss out the Werder is an idiot comment, yet he is tops in the draft and has sources no one here has.

it was the straw man argument I was calling out and not you, m'lady.

I'm no fan of Werder, but obviously his 30+years of experience and making connections trumps my diehard fandom access.

I wasn't really drug in. I just chimed in, gave my 2 nickels, and then tapped out. I don't stay too long in these types of neverending discussions. I got more pressing matters to deal with...like editing thread titles and whatnot.

[Little Jr]

Its really going to be a tiugh pill to swallow when he gets fired next year

[superpunk]

Fair enough idgit.

For my part I've seen enough sourced up people on this site (and others) be wrong and caught in flat out lies enough times to not take any of their claims seriously.

Your results may vary.

[fanfromvirginia]

Originally Posted by Hostile

No, he doesn't have a longer time. The Cowboys better make the playoffs next year or he is gone. That to me is on notice.

I also think we will make the playoffs very easily and therefore he will be here for a long time.

Okay, gotcha. Thanks.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Originally Posted by Hostile

See, even Ben knows.

[Bleu Star]

Originally Posted by lqmac1

As we see Mr.Jones pretty much strip EVERYTHING away from Jason it's only the inevitable that he is preparing for John Gruden. All the new coaches/ or roles that our coaches are being promoted to only lead me to believe he is making room for Gruden.

I hate to see Jason go out like this because I was one of the few who believed in him. WE WERE going in the right direction towards the end of the year, I believe winning 5 of last 7. Jason should have been giving another full year with what and who he wanted and if he would have failed; move one!

This smells and looks like what Mr. Jones did to Jimmy in the early 90's. Fire the head coaches brother? C'mon man, you just don't do that.

Jason is being prepared as the scape goat.

Jerry has restored my faith. That is all. Enjoy those pills.. Just remember that we have all swallowed pills over the course of our memberships here at CZ. Every single one of us.

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by dwmyers

Gruden is wonderful if you have a mature squad with plenty of talent and if you regard your quarterbacks as disposable parts.

He doesn't do a good job of nurturing new talent. He doesn't develop quarterbacks.

Kiffin, at least, seems to develop talent.

D-

..the internet..?

And you believe everything on the internet, right..?

Good lord..Gruden won in Oakland without an AllPro QB and a SB in Tampa with a retread.

That's a huge plus compared to all the hiring and firing and rebuilding we have gone thru in the Romo era.

Gruden IMO would easily straighten out Romo as QB if anybody could do it.

I'd hire him immediately and let Garrett go get an insurance sales job. That's about all he's qualified to do..IMO.


RedBaLL ExPreSS

[junk]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Yeah, but my point is still the same. I spoke about what I know to be true. If someone doesn't believe me, fine. If they do? Fine.

Sure. I have no problem with people posting these "insider" things. Some people get good info, some people don't, some people just make it up for the attention, some just throw enough crap against the wall that some is bound to stick (Mike Florio made a career of this), some just cruise Twitter/the internet all day and call things right when they are looking fairly obvious.

Who cares? If that is what makes them happy, it is something to read here. Eventually, their record will speak for themselves. It does around here. I know of one person who has good, consistent inside information.

However, the shameful thing is when people hide behind these sources as some sort of basis for argument or discussion and use that to try to undermine or belittle the positions of others. Seems to be a weak fall back when their argument starts to fall apart.

[viman96]

Originally Posted by lqmac1

As we see Mr.Jones pretty much strip EVERYTHING away from Jason...

I do not buy that. There are several head coach's in the league that do not call plays on offense or defense.

[Zman5]

Originally Posted by maxdallasfan

Here is what I'm beginning to think:

Jerry has a "verbal" commitment from another HC....possibly Gruden, or Holmgren or Cowher.

Now follow me......Jerry and this other ball coach are in cohorts for an agreement next year because said HC isn't ready for a gig this year for one reason or another.

So., Jerry says to HC in waiting, "I'm gonna do things my way this year, and if it doesn't work, then you get the go ahead to do it your way"

Thoughts? Am I crazy? Or just a drama queen?

You are no crazier than the people who think JG is the next Tom Landry.

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by lqmac1

As we see Mr.Jones pretty much strip EVERYTHING away from Jason it's only the inevitable that he is preparing for John Gruden. All the new coaches/ or roles that our coaches are being promoted to only lead me to believe he is making room for Gruden.

I hate to see Jason go out like this because I was one of the few who believed in him. WE WERE going in the right direction towards the end of the year, I believe winning 5 of last 7. Jason should have been giving another full year with what and who he wanted and if he would have failed; move one!

This smells and looks like what Mr. Jones did to Jimmy in the early 90's. Fire the head coaches brother? C'mon man, you just don't do that.

Jason is being prepared as the scape goat.

I recommend 2 shots of tequila and a lime, a Dos Equis backup and nice belch when the pills go down.

You'll feel fine, trust me.

Haha.

RedBaLL ExPreSS

[iceberg]

wow.

this is still here.

night john boy.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Gruden does not get along with Kiffin or Callahan. I don't know why people can't let that go.

Gruden's an ingrate then, Callahan gave him a SB, where have you been?

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

Of course the plan is for Garrett to be here 20 years and win 6 Super Bowls, but if there is an 8-8 thrown up on the big jumbotron again, then I doubt Garrett is back.

Jerry wants Garret to succeed as much as anybody since Jimmy and Barry who everybody told him could not win and he should not hire. He hand picked Jason to coach this team and thinks very highly of him. But I don't think the Dallas Cowboys with an in the prime top half of the league qb can take missing the playoffs 4 straight years. That is just bad for business.

Whether Gruden and Kiffen shake hands at a mixer is neither here nor there. And the only thing crazier than all the stuff that goes on at Valley Ranch is thinking that the 74 year old defensive coordinator is going to dictate who the next head coach will be, especially if its an offensive hire with a Super Bowl ring.

Good points.

I agree that Jerry desperately wants Garrett to succeed here and will do just about anything to make that happen. However, Jerry is a businessman first and foremost and he knows that going 8-8 every year is not good for business.

Jerry has to be able to market the team and get folks excited to come out and watch the games. If Garrett has 3.5 seasons as head coach and never even sniffed the playoffs, no way Jerry can just roll with that.

Its basically playoffs or Garrett is gone this season.

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

Harbaugh doesn't have to deal with JJ. Harbaugh would have the same results here as JG does.

How many coaches do we have to go through before folks see what the biggest issue with this team is....it starts at the top.

Garrett needs to improve as all coaches do, but it's harder when your boss is an idiot.

Well think of it this way....Garrett wouldn't have been headcoach if it weren't for Jerry.

I also like the moves that Jerry has done with the coaches this season. Garrett's playcalling was bad and he needed to turn it over to another OC. How he can focus on other aspects of building this team.

You guys shouldn't be shedding a tear for Garrett. He will still be coach and will a lot of old dogs teaching him the ropes. He is in a happy place right now.