Cowboys break 1/23

[theebs]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

You've just made a case to never cut any player. Ever.

Could be.

But Ratliff is an above average player and he will cost us a lot of money here or not we should at least bring him to camp.

Guys get in trouble all the time and come back and play and. NO one cares.

Leonard little hit and killed a woman who was a rams seasons ticket holder and no one in st.louis cared, they ran him right back out there.

I just personally wouldn't be cutting these guys and paying them to succeed somewhere else. At the minimum wait til, you have in house replacements.

But let's be honest here, who knows when that could be.

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by jterrell

No, no, no.

This is, like most thing sin life, all about the money.

Doug Free was cut the day we signed Tyron Smith. We can't pay 8m a year to a RT. Especially not a bad RT.

We did replace Free just fine with Parnell. There were no penalties and no jail breaks. A far cry from the average Free game.

Ratliff has talent but he is in a tailspin apparently. Who is stupid enough to drive drunk a month after your back up has a drunk driving fatality? Who tries to fight 70 year old dudes?

The combined cap savings from Free and Ratliff this year make for tons of leeway. The draft is deep at both RT and DT. FA is always there to boost the team and it needs it whether we have Free and Ratliff or not.

They are football players, most are not know for their smarts. I don't get why fans want to hold NFL players to such high standards. They play a game, that 6 year olds can play. Most workplaces in this country an employee would not lose their job if they got a DWI, why should he?

[Boys122]

Cut Free and start Parnell, it's a win win.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by ajk23az

A lot are going to be disappointed when Free is kept.

I wouldn't be surprised because Jerry's an idiot.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

They are football players, most are not know for their smarts. I don't get why fans want to hold NFL players to such high standards. They play a game, that 6 year olds can play. Most workplaces in this country an employee would not lose their job if they got a DWI, why should he?

If one of my coworkers had been charged with manslaughter for driving drunk that would keep me from any dui for quite a while.

I came down as soft on Josh Brent because we are all human. But as humans we have brains; one Ratliff apparently forgot to use.

I love the plays Ratliff makes and realize he isn't a huge cap savings either. We will definitely miss him; but sometimes you have to send a message to the team that a: no one player is bigger than the team b: that there are severe consequences for stupid stuff.

this early in the off-season expect more bad news before any good. one way to stint that is to take drastic action with someone like ratliff where all the others players pay attention.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

He should. It beats the hell out of getting straight up cut and then getting nowhere close to the money he's scheduled to make this year.

He's in line to make 7M this year. He might be able to get that much at his new stop but only after the signing bonus. From there, he'd have base salaries that probably aren't half of what his base salaries are in Dallas.

He best possible play, in terms of money, is to renegotiate the deal all together into a lower number for at least this next season and then to go out there and earn the right to not have to do the same the following year. He concedes he's not worth the amount, takes way less and then shows the team he's worth his paycheck the following year and is allowed to continue to play.

Dallas' best play is to designate him and move on.

sigh... this isn't true AT ALL.

Free already got paid.

He has 7m this year. If he takes a real pay cut why would be want to tie himself to a longer deal for less money? His agent would be an idiot.

He'd be FAR better off taking a 1 or 2 year deal somewhere else.

Free can get a 3 or 4m deal for one year from any number of teams. He is avet starter who would be a huge luxury as a swing tackle for any team with ample cap space.

It is almost always easier to start over with a new contract. That is why there are so few actual pay reductions now.

There is a ton of money available in free agency. So many teams are well under the cap. Expect a lot of spare guys to get vastly overpaid.

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by jterrell

If one of my coworkers had been charged with manslaughter for driving drunk that would keep me from any dui for quite a while.

I came down as soft on Josh Brent because we are all human. But as humans we have brains; one Ratliff apparently forgot to use.

I love the plays Ratliff makes and realize he isn't a huge cap savings either. We will definitely miss him; but sometimes you have to send a message to the team that a: no one player is bigger than the team b: that there are severe consequences for stupid stuff.

this early in the off-season expect more bad news before any good. one way to stint that is to take drastic action with someone like ratliff where all the others players pay attention.

Do you really believe that cutting Ratliff would send a message? I'm sure there will be more Steelers in trouble even though Rainey was cut. Just like in society, messages are not received by people. If so, then there would be no murder and no crime at all.

If Ratliff can no longer play, then cut him, the DWI was stupid, but it won't be the last time an athlete or a person does something stupid. Sending messages does not work, especially in the NFL. How many players has Goodell suspended and fined, yet every week or every off-season, the same blotter report reads the same, just with different names.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

Do you really believe that cutting Ratliff would send a message? I'm sure there will be more Steelers in trouble even though Rainey was cut. Just like in society, messages are not received by people. If so, then there would be no murder and no crime at all.

If Ratliff can no longer play, then cut him, the DWI was stupid, but it won't be the last time an athlete or a person does something stupid. Sending messages does not work, especially in the NFL. How many players has Goodell suspended and fined, yet every week or every off-season, the same blotter report reads the same, just with different names.

Yes, messages are received. You set an example/rule/law and people learn different behaviors. This isn't even in question it is proven fact studied millions of times.

Rainey was cut largely because other guys who were better players made mistakes and weren't. See Raperburger. So it was time for the Steelers to send a message.

They also probably dislike missing the playoffs. Sometimes you need to set a tone that this is a year round business and it is not time to jump in a sandbox.

We've heard countless players say they really feared Jimmy.
They knew what he expected on the field and they delivered because the contrary of that was to get cut and need to get a ride back home from wherever he left you.

Ratliff is a huge distraction that missed large chunks of the season and threatened the owner. The defensive captain said he is moody and inconsistent. He needs to be cut.