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Risen Star · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsay

Regardless of propriety, it would seem that we need to look beyond our two tackles due to age wear and availability considerations (incarceration), for the '13 season. Literally, a big hole to fill.

I don't know what they plan to do with Crawford but if he's going to play inside I would expect more from both Hatcher and Crawford at DT than I would Ratliff next season.

The guy has just broken down physically.

**justbob** · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsay

Regardless of propriety, it would seem that we need to look beyond our two tackles due to age wear and availability considerations (incarceration), for the '13 season. Literally, a big hole to fill.

Do you go with cutting Rat now or keep him another year and hope he stays healthy and sober.

Zimmy Lives · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Whether people like it or not, it comes down to production. Jimmy has said he was consistent in being inconsistent. If a 3rd string QB falls asleep in a meeting, he's gone. If it's Troy Aikman, you wake him up and tell him to pay attention.

Ratliff has not been productive for 3 years. I don't think he qualifies any longer as a guy who should get special treatment for his play on the field.

I agree. Let him go to camp and if he underperforms then cut his ace; salary cap hit be danged.

Don't use the DUI thing and make him a martyr.

**justbob** · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

I don't know what they plan to do with Crawford but if he's going to play inside I would expect more from both Hatcher and Crawford at DT than I would Ratliff next season.

The guy has just broken down physically.

Answered my question before I asked it RS....So do use this incident as a place to make a point to the team

LatinMind · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

I don't know what they plan to do with Crawford but if he's going to play inside I would expect more from both Hatcher and Crawford at DT than I would Ratliff next season.

The guy has just broken down physically.

Yup, people who say Dallas is weak there arent looking at the roster much. Sure there are no probowlers. But you dont need probowlers in this type of defense that rotates players. Hatcher/Crawford/Lissemore is a start. If you look at the Bears DL its a group of virtual JAGs that get the most out of the system. Melton/Pea/Okoye/Collins. Not the house hold names. IMO Dallas needs a DE more than a DT

Zimmy Lives · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by LatinMind

When you have a fresh incident just a couple months away it is a despicable act. And can be viewed as detrimental to the team. This just shows that Ratliff isnt putting the team first. Plain and simple.

I guess ill just have to wait until the start of the new football yr to see if he will be cut. I have a feeling he will be. And ill be happy. Its funny how keeping Ratliff is viewed as a positive because theres nobody better at the moment, while its been documented by teammates the guy is a hothead. But a player who was viewed by his teammates as a good teammate was run out of Dallas in Owens. Same kind of situation. Dallas had nobody better. But it was the right choice. As in in this case, they might not have anybody better at the moment, but it would be the best choice to get him out of Dallas. A Cancer is a Cancer

Yes, it was a despicable act but that does not make him a despicable person. Personally, I think the guy is a turd but cutting him now would make him out to be a victim. Let him go to camp and lose his job -- hopefully to some stud rookie the Cowboys draft in the 1st round -- then cut his ace.

LatinMind · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives

Yes, it was a despicable act but that does not make him a despicable person. Personally, I think the guy is a turd but cutting him now would make him out to be a victim. Let him go to camp and lose his job, hopefully to some stud rookie the Cowboys draft in the 1st round. Then cut his ace.

Then there is a little incident where he threatened to whoop a 70 yr olds butt. Remember that? The guy is despicable any way you want to look at it.

SilverStarCowboy · 01-25-2013

How can you send a message when you are the example.

Zimmy Lives · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by LatinMind

Then there is a little incident where he threatened to whoop a 70 yr olds butt. Remember that? The guy is despicable any way you want to look at it.

Maybe but I'm leaning towards mental illness. I think he needs medical help.

Risen Star · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by justbob

Answered my question before I asked it RS....So do use this incident as a place to make a point to the team

I would cut him. But I would have cut him right after he had his incident with Jerry in the locker room. I wanted to make that point then. As much as I hate Jerry, he's the owner and GM of this team. You show him respect in his own locker room.

I doubt the Cowboys will cut him. I just hope we have a good plan B in place should he miss a lot of time injured again.

Crawford's the wild card. I like him. But where does Kiffin play him? If it's at DT, we're in a little better shape to handle not having Ratliff next year.

Iago33 · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Risen Star

Great point, stash.

However, it's the head coach that talks of RKGs and it's the owner that will make the decision to keep or release Ratliff. Don't assume if he stays that that's what the head coach wants.

Exactly. If a message needs to be sent, I'd prefer it to come from the head coach.

Risen Star · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by LatinMind

Yup, people who say Dallas is weak there arent looking at the roster much. Sure there are no probowlers. But you dont need probowlers in this type of defense that rotates players. Hatcher/Crawford/Lissemore is a start. If you look at the Bears DL its a group of virtual JAGs that get the most out of the system. Melton/Pea/Okoye/Collins. Not the house hold names. IMO Dallas needs a DE more than a DT

I don't know if Ratliff would be receptive to it, but if Kiffin intends to play Crawford at DT, I would start him with Hatcher and use Ratliff as a pass rusher in the nickel. Lighten his load and let him do what he does best. Keep him away from all the wear and tear of playing the run.

Now I wouldn't want to be the one who went up to Jay with this plan though. I'd have to have Danny Coale with me in case things got out of hand.

**Reality** · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by LatinMind

If Jerry wants a moment to change his perception in fans minds or even in nfl circles i think he needs to get rid of Ratliff. What kind of message does it send to his team if he says enough is enough. If he doesnt then that speech meant nothing but sugar coating.

Ratliff is a disgrace, and it just shows the guy is selfish and plain stupid.

Steelers wasted no time in kicking one of their players to the curb for getting arrested. I like that zero tolerance type setting.

If Jerry wanted one moment to take control of the situation and change the whole perception that Dallas is soft this is how you do it. Take the cap hit, show this team that bull will not be tolerated. Cause at the end of the day a team that knows they're being held accountable for their actions will now think twice knowing they would be cut.

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It's easy to cut a rookie running back drafted in the 5th round. He has a low round rookie contract and running backs not named Adrian Peterson are the easiest players to replace.

As long as you are comparing us to the Steelers, what about Ben Roethlisberger? What he was accused of was a lot worse yet they stuck by him.

In business, successful people do not make decisions based on emotions. Jimmy would cut a Chris Rainey type of running back too, but there was no way he would have cut Troy, Emmitt, Michael, Leon Lett, Erik Williams, etc.

/reality

Risen Star · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Reality

It's easy to cut a rookie running back drafted in the 5th round. He has a low round rookie contract and running backs not named Adrian Peterson are the easiest players to replace.

As long as you are comparing us to the Steelers, what about Ben Roethlisberger? What he was accused of was a lot worse yet they stuck by him.

In business, successful people do not make decisions based on emotions. Jimmy would cut a Chris Rainey type of running back too, but there was no way he would have cut Troy, Emmitt, Michael, Leon Lett, Erik Williams, etc.

/reality

Jimmy's come out and said that many times. He wasn't about to treat Emmitt Smith like he was Derrick Lassic. He'd be a fool to do so.

Zordon · 01-25-2013

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Originally Posted by Reality

It's easy to cut a rookie running back drafted in the 5th round. He has a low round rookie contract and running backs not named Adrian Peterson are the easiest players to replace.

As long as you are comparing us to the Steelers, what about Ben Roethlisberger? What he was accused of was a lot worse yet they stuck by him.

In business, successful people do not make decisions based on emotions. Jimmy would cut a Chris Rainey type of running back too, but there was no way he would have cut Troy, Emmitt, Michael, Leon Lett, Erik Williams, etc.

/reality

I think most people would agree with this. I think the disagreement is coming from what is ratliff's worth? me personally, i think he's still a valuable piece. i might be singing a different tune if we had 30-40M in cap space.