Cowboys sure look like they are laying groundwork for Gruden hire

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by theogt

Probably because just before that he also took middling team and made it into a Super Bowl quality team.

Sure. And he also took a SB team and led them to 7-9 and 5-11 seasons right after that.

[cowboyeric8]

Plenty of delusional fans in this thread.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Supercowboy1986

he's prolly one of those posters who believe no big name coaches would work here

He wants to convince the board of that. Fat chance. I can't remember a single head coaching candidate they've gone after that rejected the offer.

Don't focus on Gruden wanting to come here. Focus on whether Jerry will want him. That's a much better question.

I don't buy this backdoor route to Gruden. If he wanted him, he's have hired him first. There's no need to be sneaky about it. Makes for a good read though.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by wileedog

Because he also had the Raiders on the doorstep of the SB with a team he built himself. He also has a resume of decades of working with some of the best offensive minds in the game. And because he has a reputation around the league with players and coaches as a terrific gameday HC.

People who say he just won with Dungy's team are just ignorant. If the team was so awesome, why didn't Dungy win with them? Didn't he have Kiffin's great defense too? Why did the Glazers blow two draft picks to get Gruden from Oakland?

The guy is a good football coach. Maybe not the best ever to put on a headset and certainly not HOF material or anything at this point, but a proven, veteran coach who has shown he can win. That's miles and miles ahead of anything Garrett has shown to date.

[View Full Quote]Anyone arguing nonsense about Dungy's team or Kiffin's defenses (and guess what, if he came here tomorrow or next year he would have...wait for it.... Kiffin's defense!) are just making excuses to knock the guy, and whatever Tomlin's situation is has absolutely no bearing on anything about Jon Gruden.

All I'm sayin' is that for an offensive genius, it seems odd that in TB, he never managed to have an O that ranked better than 18th in points. The defense over and over was outstanding.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Supercowboy1986

so your solution to replace an inexpereicned first time head coach.. with another first time head coach? Awesome.

Not what I want to happen.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

All I'm sayin' is that for an offensive genius, it seems odd that in TB, he never managed to have an O that ranked better than 18th in points. The defense over and over was outstanding.

Not sure you're saying anything.
This weird rant you are on is just goofy.

Gruden wasn't a GM in TB; he was a head coach. He got the most out of that offensive talent. Guys that did jack squat for other coaches played well for him. TB simply lacked talent. He lacked a decent QB, RB and had mediocre WRs. That was a talent poor team on offense.

The defense had the pro bowl/hall of fame talent and the offense played well enough to win.

Before he ever hit TB he was great in Oakland with an offense he helped build from the ground up. Yes, Callahan ran it well after Gruden left. But it was still the same basic offense. In fact Gruden ran the scout team QB for the SB because the offense was so little changed.

Gruden basically got two groups to that game.

Since Gruden left TB they have had 1 winning season.
Since Gruden left Oakland??? 1 winning season!!!!!

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by wileedog

Because he also had the Raiders on the doorstep of the SB with a team he built himself. He also has a resume of decades of working with some of the best offensive minds in the game. And because he has a reputation around the league with players and coaches as a terrific gameday HC.

People who say he just won with Dungy's team are just ignorant. If the team was so awesome, why didn't Dungy win with them? Didn't he have Kiffin's great defense too? Why did the Glazers blow two draft picks to get Gruden from Oakland?

The guy is a good football coach. Maybe not the best ever to put on a headset and certainly not HOF material or anything at this point, but a proven, veteran coach who has shown he can win. That's miles and miles ahead of anything Garrett has shown to date.

[View Full Quote]Anyone arguing nonsense about Dungy's team or Kiffin's defenses (and guess what, if he came here tomorrow or next year he would have...wait for it.... Kiffin's defense!) are just making excuses to knock the guy, and whatever Tomlin's situation is has absolutely no bearing on anything about Jon Gruden.

Dungy had Sean King at QB. At least Gruden had a decent Brad Johnson (before his arm went to Jello). But yeah, to say Gruden wasn't a good coach is just stupid. He did build that Raiders team that Callahan took to the SB. Of course, getting to play against your old team, where you know the offense inside and out is kind of a gift.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by jterrell

Not sure you're saying anything.
This weird rant you are on is just goofy.

Gruden wasn't a GM in TB; he was a head coach. He got the most out of that offensive talent. Guys that did jack squat for other coaches played well for him. TB simply lacked talent. He lacked a decent QB, RB and had mediocre WRs. That was a talent poor team on offense.

The defense had the pro bowl/hall of fame talent and the offense played well enough to win.

Before he ever hit TB he was great in Oakland with an offense he helped build from the ground up. Yes, Callahan ran it well after Gruden left. But it was still the same basic offense. In fact Gruden ran the scout team QB for the SB because the offense was so little changed.

Gruden basically got two groups to that game.

Since Gruden left TB they have had 1 winning season.
Since Gruden left Oakland??? 1 winning season!!!!!

After winning the Superbowl, he went 45-51 at Tampa.

[Picksix]

Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman
When Rob Ryan, Eberflus, Henderson and Ben Bloom joined the Cowboys staff... did anyone say: "Setting up nicely for Mangini to coach here?"

[LOBO7]

I think JG knows these guys and and thinks if they can deliver a defense close to what Tampa was rolling out then we could become A very dangerous team. Jerry may see it as a win win. if Garrett fails and as Risen Star said Gruden would be happy to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys, his staff will be in place.
I think the real stratgey though is to win now with Garrett.

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

After winning the Superbowl, he went 45-51 at Tampa.

As I pointed out in my post earlier Tampa gave up two 1st round picks and 8 million to get Gruden. Sounds like a Jerry move. But how did you expect him to build anything without a QB and no 1st????

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow. Gruden got to the AFC Championship game with Rich Gannon, and won the Superbowl with Brad Johnson. That's pretty much all that needs to be said.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by Picksix

Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman
When Rob Ryan, Eberflus, Henderson and Ben Bloom joined the Cowboys staff... did anyone say: "Setting up nicely for Mangini to coach here?"

Who is our offensive coordinator? Our special teams coach?

[The Natural]

Richie Whitt ‏@richiewhitt

Jon Gruden and Jerry Jones together in Frisco tonight? Can't be. Can it? #Cowboys

[SilverStarCowboy]

Originally Posted by The Natural

Richie Whitt ‏@richiewhitt

Jon Gruden and Jerry Jones together in Frisco tonight? Can't be. Can it? #Cowboys

Gruden for GM!