Mel Kiper: Beyond Morris Claiborne, Cowboys didn’t get much from 2012 draft

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

It has the potential for a higher grade than a C+ but we have to see if Carter and Murray can stay on the field first. That's why they were there in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. They couldn't stay on the field. Well, they haven't been able to stay healthy in the NFL so far either.

If you are going to dock them for injuries, which is fair...

Then you have to dock Tyron for a below average season, too.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Vintage

If you are going to dock them for injuries, which is fair...

Then you have to dock Tyron for a below average season, too.

Tyron didn't have a below average season. Especially when you consider he just turned 22 and was a 1st year starting LT.

He got better as the year went on.

[jimmy40]

Originally Posted by iowast8rs

I swear, even if we hit on every single draft pick, and they were all major contributors to team, we would still get reamed for not drafting well, such bias.

The Mel Kiper bias, that's a new one. congrats

[cowboys1981]

Originally Posted by ninja

A "C" grade was very kind for the Cowboys 2012 draft as it stands right now.

Time will tell. Hopefully, Wilbur will show something. Claiborne and Crawford were average at best. Hanna showed a little something. Too bad Garrett didn't use him until the season was almost over.

I expect the 2012 class to shine next year, though. If they can stay healthy...

I would say Crawford was average. Claiborne did a great job considering he was a rookie. He had one bad game to my knowledge but didn't see him get beat a lot outside of that. He will only get better and will be worth what we have up for him

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

When's the last time Dallas saw four starters drafted in a class?

2005 sort of had 6 starters:

Ware
Spears
Burnett (part-time player actually but went elsewhere to start and played well)
Canty
Barber
Ratliff


2003 sort of had 4 starters:

TNew
Al Johnson - starter a bit here and then elsewhere too.
Witten
Romo (UDFA)


2010:

Dez Bryant
Sean Lee
Sean Lissemore?
Phil Costa - really played well last year and surprised. Ankle should be okay but still worry about his back.


2011 projected:

Tyron
Bruce Carter
Demarco Murray
Dwayne Harris
Bill Nagy? (starter as a rookie and then was in competition before stupidly being waived injured while Arkin still can't get on the field)?
Kevin Kowalski? (still really like this kid, shame about his ankle, really liked what he showed on the field in 2011)

[VThokie7]

Originally Posted by jobberone

It's too early to grade this draft.

Exactly, at-least wait three years before you begin grading drafts. Some players take at-least a year of seasoning/development before they're ready to contribute.

[T-RO]

Originally Posted by cowboys1981

He should consider the fact that Matt Johnson and Danny Coale didn't play all year.

Health is a valid consideration in a conclusion.

Far too often Cowboy rookies aren't even getting work in camp or playing in the subsequent season because they can't stay healthy.

[T-RO]

Originally Posted by VThokie7

Exactly, at-least wait three years before you begin grading drafts. Some players take at-least a year of seasoning/development before they're ready to contribute.

I don't think Kiper is offering this as the final verdict on the draft class. But the point (and its a big one) is that the Skins, the Colts, the Seahawks got a lot of value out of their draft...in their very first season. A lot of teams did.

Yet once again...we didn't.

In this league you have simply got to get some value from your rookies.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by T-RO

I don't think Kiper is offering this as the final verdict on the draft class. But the point (and its a big one) is that the Skins, the Colts, the Seahawks got a lot of value out of their draft...in their very first season. A lot of teams did.

Yet once again...we didn't.

In this league you have simply got to get some value from your rookies.

Not a final grade. If you emailed Kiper and told him this draft class was a bust, he'd respond back that it's way too early to say that. This is just a re-grading after a year. Of course fans can't tolerate a negative opinion so they'll criticize it. If he raised our grade, nobody would be talking about him needing to wait 3 years.

I didn't like the class from the get go. Way too much invested in that cornerback at a cost of two quality pieces in the trenches. Matt Johnson was an out of the blue reach in the 4th round. I just didn't see a huge upside with this group. 2011 was definitely better, IMO.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

We often have rookies redshirt here in dallas, but I would expect to see a lot from 2nd and 3rd year players next year. That being said, we do need to see a productive rookie class at some point. I would actually really be down on trading up this year.

that's really not something worth bragging about. it's not the end of the world, but it certainly shouldn't be part of our stategy when other teams are picking players who end up just as good but contribute immediately.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

that's really not something worth bragging about. it's not the end of the world, but it certainly shouldn't be part of our stategy when other teams are picking players who end up just as good but contribute immediately.

Where was I bragging?

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Where was I bragging?

maybe i misunderstood your tone, to me it seemed like you're saying it's okay that we don't get year 1 contributions because it's what we do.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Manwiththeplan

maybe i misunderstood your tone, to me it seemed like you're saying it's okay that we don't get year 1 contributions because it's what we do.

Year one production isn't nearly as important as overall production. The reason you need so much impact from rookies is because you haven't drafted well. I want the best long term players, not the guys who just provide more instant impact. That's drafting for need.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

Yes. All teams that don't spend 16mm per year on a set of guards are "fans of mediocrity."

You do know that if you have a great guard they are very likely to be standing around looking for someone to block while the defense attacks the weak link.

I would rather have an offensive line made up of a first round left tackle and four third or fourth round picks.

I would rather see Dallas get some oline scouts that could find quality linemen after the first couple of rounds. Unless something has changed this year, Dallas seems to grade linemen lower than other teams. It is hard for them to draft a lineman in the 4th when other teams are willing to draft him in the late 2nd.

[Rynie]

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Mel's right from the standpoint that so far that draft was Mo & not much else due to injuries and what-not.

We'll see if the class ups its stock in 2013.

Oh lord, I agree with this guy. Joking. I have to agree. Coale and Johnson.. Lol. Crawford will be good though, IMO.