McShay top 32/Kiper big board 1/30/13....

[Macnalty]

Count me in as what film appeared to raise the value of guard Kyle Long. I had him down as third rd.

Lane Johnson is now floating beyond our pick in both estimations.

The CB from Conn Blidi Wreh-Wilson is good still needs some work wonder what film cam out on his play

Hankins big drop wonder if they finally got around to watching all his film.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I think Hankins slides for no other reason than other guys are trending. I liked Hankins a lot when we were running a 34. I am just not sure he is active/quick enough for our 43.

[Boys122]

Someone is gonna gamble and take an QB. It's possible at least two QB's could be taken in the first. No disrespect to Kiper especially but there are teams who will gamble on taken a QB in round one. I think it's two.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Boys122

Someone is gonna gamble and take an QB. It's possible at least two QB's could be taken in the first. No disrespect to Kiper especially but there are teams who will gamble on taken a QB in round one. I think it's two.

These boards aren't mock drafts. Just a ranking of their best players.

You always have to consider QB reaches.

And let's be honest. I've followed the draft religiously since the early 90's. Not one time has the actual draft taken place as I expected it. There are always surprise picks that upset the apple cart. Always players still there in the 3rd and 4th rounds that I was sure would be gone by the end of round 2.

We're not privy to the information the teams have. We don't talk to the players. We don't get feedback from their inner circle. We aren't looking at medicals.

Nobody has this figured out. Not even the teams. It's what makes it the greatest sporting event on the planet, IMO.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Boys122

Someone is gonna gamble and take an QB. It's possible at least two QB's could be taken in the first. No disrespect to Kiper especially but there are teams who will gamble on taken a QB in round one. I think it's two.

i agree that at least 1-2 teams will take QBs in the top 15
as RS said, this is not a draft projection but value projection

what these 2 things mean is that if a couple of QBs go in the top 15, we could have some very very good choices (for OL and DL) sitting for us at 18 or even in mid 20's after a trade-back

my gut right now is that we take DL in 1 and OL in 2

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by visionary

i agree that at least 1-2 teams will take QBs in the top 15
as RS said, this is not a draft projection but value projection

what these 2 things mean is that if a couple of QBs go in the top 15, we could have some very very good choices (for OL and DL) sitting for us at 18 or even in mid 20's after a trade-back

my gut right now is that we take DL in 1 and OL in 2

The more QBs that get overrated the better for us. Not only will it slide players down to 18 but the best trade down offers would more than likely come from a team desperate to get their QB. You'll give up more if you think you're getting your franchise QB.

I wouldn't hesitate to give up our 1st this year for a 1st next year in a trade package for the 18th pick. We'd have two 2's this year and two 1's next year.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by visionary

i agree that at least 1-2 teams will take QBs in the top 15
as RS said, this is not a draft projection but value projection

what these 2 things mean is that if a couple of QBs go in the top 15, we could have some very very good choices (for OL and DL) sitting for us at 18 or even in mid 20's after a trade-back

my gut right now is that we take DL in 1 and OL in 2

Yeah, I understand that, I just felt the need to say more than one QB will be drafted in round one.

As far as our first and second pick it depends on who the BPA is. Hopefully it's on the OL or DL yes. If not give me the best safety if that's the case. I just hope it's not a corner. That's the only scenario where I wouldn't draft BPA. Trade out.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

These boards aren't mock drafts. Just a ranking of their best players.

You always have to consider QB reaches.

And let's be honest. I've followed the draft religiously since the early 90's. Not one time has the actual draft taken place as I expected it. There are always surprise picks that upset the apple cart. Always players still there in the 3rd and 4th rounds that I was sure would be gone by the end of round 2.

We're not privy to the information the teams have. We don't talk to the players. We don't get feedback from their inner circle. We aren't looking at medicals.

Nobody has this figured out. Not even the teams. It's what makes it the greatest sporting event on the planet, IMO.

Right, and we know it's gonna happen. Smith, Wilson, even Nassib could be drafted in the first, who knows. Kiper knows this too. He knows some of these prospects will rise or fall. He's the most respected draft expert out there.

Like I mentioned in the post above, I felt the need to mention it that's all.

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

The more QBs that get overrated the better for us. Not only will it slide players down to 18 but the best trade down offers would more than likely come from a team desperate to get their QB. You'll give up more if you think you're getting your franchise QB.

I wouldn't hesitate to give up our 1st this year for a 1st next year in a trade package for the 18th pick. We'd have two 2's this year and two 1's next year.

agree that this is a definite possibility

this draft is pretty deep at positions we really need (OL, DL, safety)

it might come down to what we value more, 2 2s this year with 2 1s next year or an extra 3rd this year + a 1 in mid 20s

in my mind, if we draft well, we could almost come out with 3-4 starters from our 1-3 rounds, which could be huge

[burmafrd]

Cannot remember the last time neither Kiper or McShay did not have a QB on their top prospect lists. This truly is a horrible year to get a QB.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I wouldn't hesitate to give up our 1st this year for a 1st next year in a trade package for the 18th pick. We'd have two 2's this year and two 1's next year.

Me either. We need more talent on this team. The more picks the better.

[tm1119]

Originally Posted by ABQcowboyJR

I think Hankins slides for no other reason than other guys are trending. I liked Hankins a lot when we were running a 34. I am just not sure he is active/quick enough for our 43.

I think Hankins is still a very productive 4-3 DT as well. He's not going to be Sapp type and get a lot of sacks, but he can still be very productive. Remember the Vikings having a great line a few years ago with the giant pair Williams they had clogging the middle? I see Hankins as a Pat Williams type of player. Just a big nasty force in the middle who is going to stop the run and demand double teams. I'd rather have Richardson or Floyd because I love their upside, but Hankins isn't a bad consolation if we are going DT.

[Gaede]

If Richardson does have character issues, then I don't really expect us to draft him. On the flip side, if he does have issues, he'll probably be available when we pick.

To me, the players I consider right now at 18 are Warmack, Cooper, Short, Floyd, Lane Johnson, Sly Williams...I'm not a big fan of Datone Jones or Kenny Vaccaro.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by Gaede

If Richardson does have character issues, then I don't really expect us to draft him. On the flip side, if he does have issues, he'll probably be available when we pick.

To me, the players I consider right now at 18 are Warmack, Cooper, Short, Floyd, Lane Johnson, Sly Williams...I'm not a big fan of Datone Jones or Kenny Vaccaro.

I doubt Warmack is there at 18 but if he is and we don't draft him it's a huge mistake.

I also like Cooper if Warmack is gone. If both Warmack and Cooper are gone Short or Floyd will be a nice consolation prize.

[cowboysooner]

Right now there are no corners on the board with the talent of Claiborne, Gilmore or Jenkins.

Milliner will get rated higher than last two year's overdrafted Alabama corners but he has to go the the right scheme. He is a big strong guy without a ton of ball skill and one year of starting tape. If he were at another program, he would not be getting the love. Of course if he runs 4.35 then I'm completely wrong, but he still only has one year of tape.

This is a weird draft. There are few elite skill guys.