Randy Moss thinks he's the best receiver of all time - Page 3 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Tricked · 01-30-2013

I did not have the privilege of watching Jerry Rice through his prime, only towards his later years (when he was with Oakland, Seattle).... Randy Moss in his prime was a beast... maybe my opinion is biased because the main games I watched him in were against the cowboys, and he was unreal against us. I would say he could challenge Rice to be the best, but look at the teams they were on. Quarterbacks alone, Jerry Rice had Joe Montana and Steve Young.. When Moss had a good quarterback (no, I don't think Daunte Culpepper was a good quarterback), he was on a team that put up points like no other, and went 18-1 only to lose in the superbowl with the patriots....

Stats are a foolish thing to base status on... and Rice's argument was to compare the stats.... Moss' argument is to compare impact on the game... Moss was a selfish player in his earlier years and wouldn't run a route if he knew the ball wasn't going his way, and was a poor run blocker... but as a straight up receiver, Moss demanded double, triple coverage sometimes, and even if the ball was near him he'd catch it.

NIBGoldenchild · 01-30-2013

Moss wouldn't have been as productive as Rice with the Niners because Moss has never been as willing to run the routes Rice ran in that offense, if it wasn't a go or out route Moss didnt give 100%. Also, corners were allowed to be more aggressive when Rice played, and that would also affect Moss' numbers as well.

CowboyChris · 01-30-2013

while Moss isnt the best WR of all time, you can make a pretty good argument that he is probably 2nd or 3rd best ever, its between him an TO.

Manwiththeplan · 01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by CowboyChris

while Moss isnt the best WR of all time, you can make a pretty good argument that he is probably 2nd or 3rd best ever, its between him an TO.

Moss > TO

and it's not close. I've just never seen a WR make so many QBs look good. Randall Cunningham was an after thought, discarded by Philly, yet was an MVP candidate throwing to Randy Moss. Jeff George was in a similar situation, one foot out of the league and he makes a pro-bowl with Moss. Duante Cullpepper started his career with Moss, and certainly wasn't the same player w/o him. He didn't make Kerry Collins any better (Oakland so blame Davis), but even Brady's best season came with Moss.

TO on the other hand, consistently had good QBs. Garcia, McNabb, Bledsoe, Romo, Palmer. The only guy not in his prime was Bledsoe.

RastaRocket · 01-31-2013

Just incredible. He would attend special teams meetings and practice.

If you want to talk about impact, show many anything near this for Randy Moss.

TO trains insanely hard to, I bet he learned from Rice.

Lonestar94 · 01-31-2013

Randy Moss is easily top 5, maybe even top 3, but he'll never be greater than what is Jerry Rice.

Teren_Kanan · 01-31-2013

Jerry is the only receiver I'd put ahead of Moss, and that's only after viewing both of their Careers as a whole.

Moss wasted away many of his years in the league. Put Moss on the same teams with the same QB's instead of Rice.. I think you'd be crazy to think he wouldn't be MUCH closer to rices numbers. I'd even go so far as to say he'd have more TD's, though less receptions/yards than rice.

The #1 and #2 single season scoring records by a team have Randy Moss in common for a reason. The guy was a freak of nature.

**Sarge** · 01-31-2013

Randy Moss on his best day may have an argument. But those who watched Jerry Rice play his entire career know that on thewhole, there is really no argument here. That is taking nothing away from Randy - Jerry was just that good.

NIBGoldenchild · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by Teren_Kanan

Jerry is the only receiver I'd put ahead of Moss, and that's only after viewing both of their Careers as a whole.

Moss wasted away many of his years in the league. Put Moss on the same teams with the same QB's instead of Rice.. I think you'd be crazy to think he wouldn't be MUCH closer to rices numbers. I'd even go so far as to say he'd have more TD's, though less receptions/yards than rice.

The #1 and #2 single season scoring records by a team have Randy Moss in common for a reason. The guy was a freak of nature.

So you can actually see Moss running the majority of his routes as slants and post routes in the Niners WCO? I don't. His unwillingness to run 100% on routes that aren't a go route or an out route tell a different story.

Moss wasn't the type of receiver Rice was. More dynamic on deep routes for sure, but less likely to take a 12 yd completion to the house. He just wasn't effective in-between the hash marks, and that would've affected his numbers regardless of having Montana and Young throwing to him.

Boys122 · 01-31-2013

Yeah, that's one downside to Randy Moss, he takes plays off. Jerry Rice never did.

DFWJC · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by CATCH17

Ill take him on his best day over any other receiver on theirs.

I would too.

However, Rice beats him if the discussion is best overall for their career...imo.

rickjameschinaclub · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

So you can actually see Moss running the majority of his routes as slants and post routes in the Niners WCO? I don't. His unwillingness to run 100% on routes that aren't a go route or an out route tell a different story.

Moss wasn't the type of receiver Rice was. More dynamic on deep routes for sure, but less likely to take a 12 yd completion to the house. He just wasn't effective in-between the hash marks, and that would've affected his numbers regardless of having Montana and Young throwing to him.

I was about to make a similar point. Rice was great after the catch and ctaching over the middle. Moss is known primarily as a deep-threat who stretches the field.

I'll tell you what though. I loved it when Kevin Smith got in Jerry Rice's head. He use to lock him down and if it weren't for the fact that they moved Rice all over the place, where guys like Brown would cover him... I think Kevin Smith would have gone down as one of the greatest CBs to ever play the game if not for that achilles tear. I also remember him being targetted by the refs after he came back from injury for plenty of BS PI calls.

Future · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by Bowdown27

Randy moss is a moron. His stats aren't even close to ONE of the best ever.

Uh...

Receptions - 9th
YPC - 15.6 (Rice 14.8)
Yards - 3rd
TDs - 2nd
YPG - 16th (5 yards behind Rice)

I would say that qualifies him as one of the best ever, and he did it without every playing with a HoF QB

The only argument, I think, for someone like Rice over Moss, is statistics. But those are largely inflated b/c of the system he played in and the QBs he played with. Talent wise, the best WR ever is Moss, and I don't think it's even close. If you say it's Rice, you almost have to say that Emmitt and Favre are also the best.

DFWJC · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by Future

Uh...

Receptions - 9th
YPC - 15.6 (Rice 14.8)
Yards - 3rd
TDs - 2nd
YPG - 16th (5 yards behind Rice)

I would say that qualifies him as one of the best ever, and he did it without ever playing with a HoF QB
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Future · 01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by DFWJC

Edit: for the majority of his career