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Blitzen32 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

Harbaugh was given a loaded roster. That might have just a little to do with his success.

6-10 = loaded roster

...when we're revising history

Blitzen32 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Last offseason there was a quote from Garrett, something like "we finally have the players in place to make [my] system work."

Yikes.

Yikes indeed.

Great point though.

Bluestang · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Hmm.

Didn't Garrett induce the change process on that line in the first place?

A guy like Davis is now contributing well for a Super Bowl team.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea to roll with guys like Phil Costa despite what Garrett had tried to convince the fans.

You do realize that Leonard Davis is playing as a backup TE when SF uses heavy run formations right?

There is another Davis, Anthony Davis, that is a starter is not to be confused with "Bigg".

Lets not get carried away with Davis is doing well on a Super Bowl team comments when he's playing single digit snaps in the games.

Bluestang · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by theogt

Last offseason there was a quote from Garrett, something like "we finally have the players in place to make [my] system work."

Yikes.

Can you provide proof he said this?

Mr Cowboy · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Bluestang

You do realize that Leonard Davis is playing as a backup TE when SF uses heavy run formations right?

There is another Davis, Anthony Davis, that is a starter is not to be confused with "Bigg".

Lets not get carried away with Davis is doing well on a Super Bowl team comments when he's playing single digit snaps in the games.

The very bad Bigg Davis is light years better than anything we have at guard right now.

Roadtrip635 · 02-01-2013

It was actually under Singletary, that Alex Smith started to finally show some promise. They started to adapt the offense to Smith's strengths and ran more spread offense, which Smith was more comfortable. Even though they had a losing record, Smith finally started to show promise.

Even though Singletary failed as a HC, he at least showed they were on the right path with Smith. Smith found some success in the right system, unfortunately for him, they found someone that ran the new system better.

Blitzen32 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

The very bad Bigg Davis is light years better than anything we have at guard right now.

Exactly.

He's getting limited action, but he has played in every game this season, and has been quite effective.

Garrett has supported this horrendous oline, so it's hypocritical to criticize one side while giving the other a free pass just because people want him to be good in the future.

Bluestang · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

The very bad Bigg Davis is light years better than anything we have at guard right now.

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Exactly.

He's getting limited action, but he has played in every game this season, and has been quite effective.

Garrett has supported this horrendous oline, so it's hypocritical to criticize one side while giving the other a free pass just because people want him to be good in the future.

140 snaps for the year to include 7 snaps in the divisional playoff and 3 snaps in the conference championship.

Like I said let's not kid ourselves here, you argument about Davis' contributions falls short in more ways than one.

NorthTexan95 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Simmons was discussing head coaching failures the other day, and he really hit the nail on the head here:

There are two types of coaches …

1. A coach who looks at his players and says, "How can I put these guys in the best position for them to succeed?"

2. A coach who looks at his players and says, "How can I use these guys to make my system succeed?"

Now, think about the mind-set driving Coach No. 2: He's basically saying, I'm here only because of my system. I can't actually coach. If you give me the wrong players for my system, it doesn't matter — I will keep using the system anyway, because Plan B would be coming up with a more inventive way to coach these guys. And I can't do that. I'm not good enough. So if it's OK with you, I'd like to go down in flames with my system.

I disagree that the No. 2 type of coach is saying he can't coach. That's absurd. Even with a "system" a successful coach has to be able to train his players to perform in that system.

Oklahoma didn't scrap the wishbone when they recruited Aikman but they were still very successful with their wishbone year after year. Tom Landy didn't change from his flex defense to a 3-4 when Randy White was drafted. Plano Senior and later Plano East for decades ran a veer based offense with a 4-3 defense similar to the flex with great success. Dick Labeau, Jim Johnson, Monte Kiffin ... all run or did run their defensive system to great effect for a long time.

theogt · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Bluestang

Can you provide proof he said this?

Sorry, no, I made it up on the fly.

What the?

Blitzen32 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by NorthTexan95

I disagree that the No. 2 type of coach is saying he can't coach. That's absurd. Even with a "system" a successful coach has to be able to train his players to perform in that system.

Oklahoma didn't scrap the wishbone when they recruited Aikman but they were still very successful with their wishbone year after year. Tom Landy didn't change from his flex defense to a 3-4 when Randy White was drafted. Plano Senior and later Plano East for decades ran a veer based offense with a 4-3 defense similar to the flex with great success. Dick Labeau, Jim Johnson, Monte Kiffin ... all run or did run their defensive system to great effect for a long time.

You make some great points, and obviously have great football knowledge.

Like I said though, I'm speaking in terms of the current state of the league, and what it takes to be successful in the free agency/salary cap era. When a team can't just spend to acquire the best players to fit within a coach's system, it's better to have a staff capable of working with the available talent.

This is how teams like SF, Baltimore, Denver and Seattle went from well below .500 to the playoffs in a rapid fashion once they got new type #1 coaches.

6-10 --> NFC title game with virtually the same roster really is a product of switching from type #2 to type #1 coaching.

For this reason, I also think guys like McCoy and Arians will be pretty good in their new locations.

Garrett's clock management and playcalling are obviously flawed, but to me, this is his biggest weakness.

Boyz981 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Exactly.

He's getting limited action, but he has played in every game this season, and has been quite effective.

Garrett has supported this horrendous oline, so it's hypocritical to criticize one side while giving the other a free pass just because people want him to be good in the future.

Thanks... you have just proved you have no clue! Do you even watch football?

Primetime42 · 02-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Alex Smith didn't go from one of the biggest draft busts ever, to one of the top rated passers in the league just due to magic and prayer.

The guy had no consistency around him whatsoever in his entire career.

Harbaugh's done a great job, but he gets way too much credit for that team's talent. They're loaded with Top 15 picks and that offensive line is outstanding.

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Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Hmm.

Didn't Garrett induce the change process on that line in the first place?

A guy like Davis is now contributing well for a Super Bowl team.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea to roll with guys like Phil Costa despite what Garrett had tried to convince the fans.

lol

Coming in as the "Heavy" TE = "contributing well" now.

I see what this is all about.

tecolote · 02-01-2013

I agree with the op. Just as an example, the offense is clearly better when operating out of the no huddle/hurry up but Garrett never used it unless he was down by a lot or time was running out, he just continued to use his slow, wait until there is 1 second on the play clock to snap the ball offense.

His failure to adjust on the fly was horrible.

Gemini Dolly · 02-01-2013

Very well said.

Garrett's offense would work if we had the 90s Oline and a pocket passer like Aikman.

We have neither of that right now.