What if Foles could be made available?

[Yuma Cactus]

I am a big U of A guy and watched alot of Foles in college. Jaron Criner made him look good, often. He has a problem with anticipation, especially anything crossing the field. IMO he won't be anything special. I would have liked to see Aaron Murray declare this year as IMO he could've been had in the 2nd this year. He should be a solid top 15 pick next year.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ghst187

Sorry if this has been discussed before...but with all the rumors saying Chip Kelly is interested in a different QB....what if Foles could be made available....

I personally would love to get him for a fair price. I think even a first round+ pick would be a fair price if our scouts thought he could be special. What Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Hutchinson, Carter, and etc have taught us is that there is no price too steep to pay for a franchise QB in this league as it exists currently.
Give him a year as the backup and then let him compete for the starting job.
Based on what i saw of him, seemed like he very well could end up being a quality starter soon.....
thoughts?

dude is glass in pocket. If your cowboys fan you want Foles in philly for long time and hope they wait on him forever.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Romo could be a solid QB here for another 5+ years under the correct system. This isn't like the 80s and 90s were QBs were concussed out of the league by age 35. Romo is an athletic beast, and he can thrive for awhile still.

Now, SF has proven with Kaepernick that you can develop a great QB quickly these days if you have the right coaching staff in place. It's way too early to starting thinking about the next QB.

Lets get Romo an adequate Oline and HC and then let him go out and win some games.

What exactly would be the correct system for Romo? Under the current system he had a career statistical year in 2011 and almost put up 5000 yards this past season with 28 TD's. He produces every single year from Sept-Nov. Even his Decembers have been looking good the last few years until it comes down to make or break. The issue with Romo has always been turnovers especially in elimination games where's he's suffered 11 of them. To win in the NFL QB's have to put the ball up and most games late in the season come down to the QB.

A running game would certainly help Romo but I don't think there's a system that will prevent him from folding when it comes down to him having to drive the team to win an elimination game. At some point a QB has to carry their team in a win or go home game and Romo is unable to do it. He's obviously the best QB the Cowboys have and the team we saw this past season would have gone 4-12 with Kyle Orton. We're at the point with Romo where a lot of FANS are starting to come to grips with the fact that he has some serious issues when it's down to do or die.

At some point the Cowboys are going to have to start preparing to move on from him and that could happen in the next 2-3 years if the team keeps missing the playoffs and Romo continues to fold when it matters most. There comes a time when you have to make a change at QB if the end result continues to be the same year after year. I don't see a change at QB coming anytime soon because Romo continues to be very productive but the Cowboys have to start preparing for when the time does come.

[theebs]

People forget.

Romo said this offseason that he plans to start more games going forward than he has up to this time already.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by KJJ

What exactly would be the correct system for Romo? Under the current system he had a career statistical year in 2011 and almost put up 5000 yards this past season with 28 TD's. He produces every single year from Sept-Nov. Even his Decembers have been looking good the last few years until it comes down to make or break. The issue with Romo has always been turnovers especially in elimination games where's he's suffered 11 of them. To win in the NFL QB's have to put the ball up and most games late in the season come down to the QB.

[View Full Quote]A running game would certainly help Romo but I don't think there's a system that will prevent him from folding when it comes down to him having to drive the team to win an elimination game. At some point a QB has to carry their team in a win or go home game and Romo is unable to do it. He's obviously the best QB the Cowboys have and the team we saw this past season would have gone 4-12 with Kyle Orton. We're at the point with Romo where a lot of FANS are starting to come to grips with the fact that he has some serious issues when it's down to do or die.

At some point the Cowboys are going to have to start preparing to move on from him and that could happen in the next 2-3 years if the team keeps missing the playoffs and Romo continues to fold when it matters most. There comes a time when you have to make a change at QB if the end result continues to be the same year after year. I don't see a change at QB coming anytime soon because Romo continues to be very productive but the Cowboys have to start preparing for when the time does come.

others have pointed out the big holes in your arguement time and again.

YOU convienently leave out others mistakes at those critical times
Like Crayton dropping one pass and quiting on a route in 2007

There are other examples. This BS about a QB putting the team on his back is sophist CRAP.

A QB can do nothing without his O line blocking and his WRs running correct routes and CATCHING the pass when its there.

But YOU use the old 'carry team on back BS' just because you hate Romo.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

others have pointed out the big holes in your arguement time and again.

YOU convienently leave out others mistakes at those critical times
Like Crayton dropping one pass and quiting on a route in 2007

There are other examples. This BS about a QB putting the team on his back is sophist CRAP.

A QB can do nothing without his O line blocking and his WRs running correct routes and CATCHING the pass when its there.

But YOU use the old 'carry team on back BS' just because you hate Romo.

My argument has always been that Romo folds in the games that matter most and it was proven once again in the season finale with the division title on the line. The only arguments that have holes are the ones with FANS like you who point the finger of blame at everyone but Romo for those elimination game failures. I've never once put all the blame on him for those losses I've pointed out the failures of Crayton and others but Romo had multiple turnovers in 5 of the 6 losses and his play clearly contributed to them.

When it gets down to make or break time QB's have to be able to carry their teams in critical situations. They have to be able to bring them from behind in a hostile environment. The Ravens and 49ers are in the SB primarily because of the play of their QB's. Both Flacco and Kaepernick have come up big when it mattered most that's why they'll be playing for a championship tomorrow.

I have no issue with Romo being the QB of the Cowboys he's a top 10 QB who clearly gives the team a chance. You repeatedly claim I hate him simply because you have an agenda. Go see if you can find one post from me wanting to trade him like many others here do. If you think I hate Romo you need to checkout this thread after the season ended start at the end and work your way back.


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[Bowdown27]

I'd rather draft someone

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by ghst187

Sorry if this has been discussed before...but with all the rumors saying Chip Kelly is interested in a different QB....what if Foles could be made available....

I personally would love to get him for a fair price. I think even a first round+ pick would be a fair price if our scouts thought he could be special. What Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Hutchinson, Carter, and etc have taught us is that there is no price too steep to pay for a franchise QB in this league as it exists currently.
Give him a year as the backup and then let him compete for the starting job.
Based on what i saw of him, seemed like he very well could end up being a quality starter soon.....
thoughts?

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

others have pointed out the big holes in your arguement time and again.

YOU convienently leave out others mistakes at those critical times
Like Crayton dropping one pass and quiting on a route in 2007

There are other examples. This BS about a QB putting the team on his back is sophist CRAP.

A QB can do nothing without his O line blocking and his WRs running correct routes and CATCHING the pass when its there.

But YOU use the old 'carry team on back BS' just because you hate Romo.

True then, true now, true tomorrow....but arguing is 100% pointless. His mind is made up you can show video of Romo making the exact perfect play in a huge game and he will ignore it

[CATCH17]

I think he showed enough for a team with no QB to offer a 3rd round pick.

If Dallas wanted him I think a 4th is as high as they should go.

[Pessimist_cowboy]

This thread is a joke right ?

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

True then, true now, true tomorrow....but arguing is 100% pointless. His mind is made up you can show video of Romo making the exact perfect play in a huge game and he will ignore it

Show me a video where Romo has made the perfect exact play that helped lead the Cowboys from behind in an "elimination" game? My point has to do with do or die games so try following along. I've pointed out a number of great plays Romo has made as well as the great games he's had that's why I wouldn't trade him like a lot of fans want to do but when he's forced to make the exact perfect play in a come from behind situation in an "elimination" game he makes the worst possible play. He's been plagued by ill-timed mistakes his entire career. The only elimination game Romo won in 7 tries he never had to play from behind and didn't suffer a turnover. It's when he faces adversity in elimination games that he starts to unravel which is proven by his 11 turnovers in his 6 do or die losses.

You'll have a tough time finding anyone on the board who has been more fair in their analysis of Romo than I've been. I've defended him MANY times but some some here refuse to come to grips with the fact that he's unable to play at the same level in elimination games that he does in games that are less critical. Flacco plays better in postseason than he does during the regular season. QB's are judged by how they perform in elimination games which is why Romo receives very little respect from the media and fans around the league. Pointing out the facts isn't hating on a player.

[dexternjack]

Romo leads his team back week in and week out. It is unfortunate he makes a boneheaded play in elimination games.

Maybe if we had a line he would not have put the team on his back to try and get the win in the final minutes.

It would be nice if we actually got a big lead once in awhile and take pressure off Romo. He is asked to carry the team every single game and eventually that pressure will get to the best of them.

Get him a good line with some better play-calls and he will be just fine.

It is a joke to even suggest Foles over Tony. Draft a future QB but to replace Romo with that guy is not the route to go.

I really wish Parcells stayed, Romo would have a different legacy.

[KJJ]

Most of my arguments on Romo have had to do with his Dec/Jan performances primarily in elimination games and that he's not better than Eli because Eli has come up big in elimination games. I've made it very clear I like Romo and still want him as the Cowboys QB and if some want to spin that I hate him they clearly have an agenda.

As for Foles he's not mobile enough for my taste. Philly has issues at QB and if they make Foles available who they just burned a #2 pick on last April then that tells me they don't think very highly of him. He did show some potential but I prefer going after someone who's not going to be a sitting duck in the pocket.