Derek Dooley hired as WR Coach... Robinson to remain as consultant

[Omegasupreme]

Originally Posted by Bowdown27

He could be just an awful head coach. Could do wonders with our receivers

The logic is familiar.

[jjktkk]

Don't forget who his dad is? Dooley grew up with a SEC legend in Vince Dooley. Good bloodlines if nothing else.

[dware94]

Originally Posted by Bowdown27

He could be just an awful head coach. Could do wonders with our receivers

Exactly right. I live in Indianapolis and fans couldn't wait for Caldwell to be fired as HC. Turns out he makes a pretty good offensive coordinator.

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

True.

If he can at least teach the WRs where to line up so Romo doesnt have to every down, I will be impressed.

[1fisher]

Originally Posted by Beast_from_East

Go check out a couple of the Tenn message boards and they are laughing at us, cant belive we hired this guy. Apparently most Tenn fans were ready to storm the stadium with pitchforks if the university did not fire this guy.

I dont watch Tenn games, so I am just passing along info.

I watch a lot of TN games. You think our fans are bad?? We have nothing on TN. They will talk about the next coach the same way. Trust me!!!

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Not only did he coach WRs at the pro level but he also coached WRs at SMU in 97-99.

Sometimes it pays to do your own research instead of letting the group think for you.

My apologies. I didn't do my research.

Phins for a year, and 2 yrs at SMU. Got it.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by Wezsh0T

I think the only reason Robinson will not be the WR coach anymore is because he wanted to retire.

The idea that he may be going into semi retirement and chose this for himself has some merit.

But the fact that he was listed as Assistant Head Coach also plays a part in this ( I think).

My guess is that JJ/JG (whoever) wants to take that title and give it to someone else. We just can't call everyone an Assistant HC. So the Cowboys are taking that title away from him. Maybe Robinson wasn't all that happy about that since it could also mean a cut in pay and a step back to just be a WR coach.

The compromise might have been to move him to a consulting role and add a new WR coach that would serve as an assistant to Robinson and lighten his workload (Dooley). Lose the title (and maybe some pay) but lose some long hours in return is a fair trade off for Robinson. Gaining back an Asst HC title that the Cowboys can give to someone else without losing a good position coach helps the Cowboys.

Add info that Dooley was basically unemployed and worked with JG in the past, I don't think Dooley would mind having a mentor of sorts in Robinson. If he's a "puppet" WR coach, I'm fine with that as long a Robinson is pulling strings.

Just a theory and it's partially wishful thinking. I'd like to think that Robinson will still be involved with our WR's. I thought he did a good job with Dez, Harris, Beasley and Laurent Robinson (last year).

(Yes I do find the fact that I even contemplated the idea that a postion coach is a puppet and/or a coach in name only is pretty hilarious, but it is a win for everyone involved)

[Hoofbite]

Buddy of mine who lives in Tennessee didn't have kind things to say about him.

"Congratulations, you just hired one of the worst coaches in Tennessee's history".

"What did they hire that guy for? Figured he'd be out of coaching".

"People around here hate his , he's a piece of....".

"At one point he lost 16 straight conference games. Last year's loss against Kentucky was the first time Tennessee had lost to Kentucky in almost 30 years".


All this in about 30 seconds after me asking about him. Guess it's good he's just a WR coach.........I guess.

[ConstantReboot]

If this was a Garrett hire and he doesn't turn out the way our receivers are supposed to turn out - and if Dez's regresses, then its time to question Garrett's judgement. Honestly, I would rather have Jerry select the asst coaches. So far, Jerry seemed to have pulled a coupe especially getting Maranelli to come to Dallas.

Garrett is getting more inexperienced coaches and that is the last thing we need in Dallas right now.

[Gaede]

Some one on this board is a lawyer and had several experiences with Dooley and his players. Said the guy took no responsibility and was basically an enabler of his players awful behaviors

I personally don't really care. Can anyone name the WR coach of the Ravens? The Niners?

Position coaches don't matter that much to me. Except when they're really really good (Marinelli) or a former failed head coach who had been pantsed on national TV (you know who)

[Cowboys22]

Stop worrying what Tenn fans are saying. They are bitter and they have a right to be. Dooley was clearly in over his head when he was tasked with being the man in charge but that has zero to do with his ability to be a position coach. The fact that he was hired as a head coach for an SEC teams tells me that he did pretty good work as a position coach at some point. It tells me he earned a good reputation and was endorsed by people who's opinion carried weight. You don't get that job without those things. He simply proved he wasn't a leader and couldn't handle all the other things that come with being the head coach. Many people are like this. Give them a task and nobody is better but put them in charge and tell them to make the final decisions and they fold under the pressure. I will at least give him a chance before proclaiming him a failure but I am glad Robinson will still be around to help him out a little.

[bigdnlaca]

Originally Posted by Cowboys22

Stop worrying what Tenn fans are saying. They are bitter and they have a right to be. Dooley was clearly in over his head when he was tasked with being the man in charge but that has zero to do with his ability to be a position coach. The fact that he was hired as a head coach for an SEC teams tells me that he did pretty good work as a position coach at some point. It tells me he earned a good reputation and was endorsed by people who's opinion carried weight. You don't get that job without those things. He simply proved he wasn't a leader and couldn't handle all the other things that come with being the head coach. Many people are like this. Give them a task and nobody is better but put them in charge and tell them to make the final decisions and they fold under the pressure. I will at least give him a chance before proclaiming him a failure but I am glad Robinson will still be around to help him out a little.

Maybe the people included was his legendary father.

[xwalker]

Originally Posted by Erik_H

The idea that he may be going into semi retirement and chose this for himself has some merit.

But the fact that he was listed as Assistant Head Coach also plays a part in this ( I think).

My guess is that JJ/JG (whoever) wants to take that title and give it to someone else. We just can't call everyone an Assistant HC. So the Cowboys are taking that title away from him. Maybe Robinson wasn't all that happy about that since it could also mean a cut in pay and a step back to just be a WR coach.

The compromise might have been to move him to a consulting role and add a new WR coach that would serve as an assistant to Robinson and lighten his workload (Dooley). Lose the title (and maybe some pay) but lose some long hours in return is a fair trade off for Robinson. Gaining back an Asst HC title that the Cowboys can give to someone else without losing a good position coach helps the Cowboys.

[View Full Quote]Add info that Dooley was basically unemployed and worked with JG in the past, I don't think Dooley would mind having a mentor of sorts in Robinson. If he's a "puppet" WR coach, I'm fine with that as long a Robinson is pulling strings.

Just a theory and it's partially wishful thinking. I'd like to think that Robinson will still be involved with our WR's. I thought he did a good job with Dez, Harris, Beasley and Laurent Robinson (last year).

(Yes I do find the fact that I even contemplated the idea that a postion coach is a puppet and/or a coach in name only is pretty hilarious, but it is a win for everyone involved)

I think that he has some health problems. This was discussed in another thread. Someone mentioned that he might have had some lingering issues from the concussion that he suffered when he got run over on the sidelines.

[Apollo Creed]

If I'd have known we were going to only get Robinson for a year, then I'd rather we kept Ray Sherman around.

Don't get me wrong Robinson is one of the very best in the game and it seemed he was making great strides with Dez. Glad he's sticking around as a consultant.

But we went from one of the very best coaches in the entire game to Derrick freakin Dooley?

WR is a position that costed us a lot of football games last year, think about it - Dez running the wrong routes and Ogletree letting the ball bounce off his face against Chicago for a pick in the red zone.

As much as we struggle up front, we can't expect Romo to do it all. I don't like the move, I can already see our guys going through the motions next year while this guy tries to keep them straight. Especially Dez, he's already the next 'superstar' in Dallas and he's going to walk all over this guy.



So far we've got a 72 year old guy on the verge of hospice, a really good DL coach that probably should just be our DC, no offensive playcaller, a WR coach that was hired because the Saban connection, and some random special teams coach.

I don't consider this offseason a win, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

If anything all these moves just give credence to the conspiracy that Jerry has a Gruden-friendly staff if Garrett screws up next year. Which even hiring him is stupid IMO. I just don't know anymore, after 17 years I may not know what a good coaching staff looks like - but I damn sure know what a bad one looks like.

[xwalker]

Derek Dooley = Wade Phillips

Bad Head Coach
Good assistant coach
Legendary Father