RG3 wins Rookie of the year

[Sonny#9]

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

Actually, this previous post penetrates the critical questions that should give you pause, the "IF" described is a HUGE factor and must be explored.

Though a small sample size, RG3 was defiant during the season and it cost the team in the post season.

He demonstrated a lack of wisdom and proper adjudication, with a veteran coach that clearly wants to win now, no matter the cost.

A rookie making some poor decisions...whodathunk that?!

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

To what extent will future adjustments frustrate his success?

To what extent will any adjustments for ANY player? Griffin is a smart, accurate passer. If they run him less, probably the better for his development.

Michael Vick has not found an answer to this question and may possibly be permanently out of work.[/quote]

Please tell me you're not comparing him to Vick...

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

The previous retort you describe only acknowledges this fact on a surface level, then proceeds to overstate the accomplishments as most of us would expect.

And your overstating his imminent demise.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Sonny#9

A rookie making some poor decisions...whodathunk that?!


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I'll be honest, I am not really seeing the poor decisions he made with his body either until the Seattle game.

It wasn't like he was trying to run over Ngata in the Baltimore game, when he slid his knee ended up whipping up and being exposed. If anything we need to get him a slip and slide

And think of this, he only threw 5 INT's all year. Romo had 3 in one game vs us

[DWAREZ]

Originally Posted by Sonny#9

There isn't a Redskins fan with half a brain that isn't at least a little worried about his knee.



Even though I have no idea what this means (I am going to assume that it was an Emmitt-ism and leave it at that), his "style" is overly analyzed and criticized. Yes, he needs to learn to slide faster. No, I don't like the number of designed runs. You know who you never hear any of this about? Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick. ESPN nearly wet itself when Wilson was throwing blocks for Lynch...

Griffin's knee injury was a fluke injury. He was already on the ground with hs leg in the air when Ngata hit it. Beyond that -- you know what injury rate is in the NFL? 100%. Everyone gets injured. So many want to point to Griffin's running. Yes -- that adds an incredible dynamic to his game -- but he is an outstanding passer as well.

[View Full Quote]Ultimately, I am not overly concerned about his knee, long term. Griffin is a worker. He will work to get better. He will work to become an even better passer. He will take less risks. He's a smart player -- he will only improve.

1) You are correct about the half a brain comment so you need to look at some of these posts.

2) Your lack of education with reference to this line does not matter, no worries, Emmitt probably does not know what that means either, you are in good company!

3) Griffin apparently has injured the same knee in the past and currently has a significant knee injury yet again. RG3's specific style of play lends itself for him to take such hits and as others have noted, he is not a big and sturdy guy. Further, RG3 was defiant after taking a stupid blow to his head earlier this season, not looking good.

4) Griffin is a good passer, but much of that is predicated on the threat of the QB run. How will this change if he primarily becomes a pocket passer under pressure.

5) Wilson and Colin will probably run into some of the same issues eventually but they apparently make better decisions with reference to defenders, Wilson is also a rookie, go figure.

[CitySlicker202]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

That is what people tend to gloss over.

The knee injuries (on the Ngata run and in the playoff game) and the concussion vs Atlanta were on designed pass plays from the pocket

Where was RG3 safest? In the pistol on read option runs.

The pocket is incredibly dangerous and has taken a full season from the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and even Randall Cunningham in 1991 who tore his ACL in week 1 while in the pocket. Aikman's career was cut short on a designed pass play where he rolled out. However most of his concussions up to that point took place, in the pocket. Theisman's career ended, in the pocket.

People like to tab RG3 as some maniac, scrambling runner. Your post here is timely because people need to be reminded that.... A.) football does indeed have 100% injury no matter who you are, and B.) major injuries have occurred to pocket passers who weren't agile enough to avoid impact inside the pocket

Major injuries to pocket passers occur when lions hunt sitting prey. With RG3, he's the fleet footed prey who sometimes runs into the lion's den. It's much easier to correct the mindset of latter than adjust the skillset and agility of the former.

[DWAREZ]

Originally Posted by Sonny#9

A rookie making some poor decisions...whodathunk that?!



To what extent will any adjustments for ANY player? Griffin is a smart, accurate passer. If they run him less, probably the better for his development.

Michael Vick has not found an answer to this question and may possibly be permanently out of work.

Please tell me you're not comparing him to Vick...



And your overstating his imminent demise.[/quote]

1) Griffin is an accurate passer with the threat of option run, was less accurate when pressured in the pocket. Wilson is a rookie and made better decisions, Colin has limited experience as well, go figure.

2) I am simply offering a corrective to overstatement, he may be fine if he adjusts but the small sample thus far has left him a gimp.

3) Only comparing the aspect that the running QB is prone to injury, you really can not debate this as RG3 is in rehab as we speak!

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

Major injuries to pocket passers are lions hunting sitting prey. With RG3, he's the fleet footed prey who sometimes runs into the lion's den. It's much easier to correct the latter than adjust the former.

What is incredible to me is Aikman played a good chunk of his career behind one of the best OL's ever put together and was a pocket passer yet only played 11 seasons. He was done with football at age 33.

That would have been like Manning retiring in 2009 or Brady in 2011

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

A trade of firsts does not equal giving up a first. What pick was Griffin ?
You don't get that they gave up a first ? Hmm...

But it is nice to see you defending him.

2 firsts and a second.

The Cowboys drafted Morris Claiborne with the 6th overall pick. They've got that invested in him. He didn't come free.

The Redskins reached for Griffin with the 2nd overall pick. He didn't come free. You used that pick plus two more 1st rounders and a 2nd round pick. That's what you have invested in your athlete playing QB.

3 firsts and a second.

Thanks for playing.

[CitySlicker202]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

What is incredible to me is Aikman played a good chunk of his career behind one of the best OL's ever put together and was a pocket passer yet only played 11 seasons. He was done with football at age 33.

That would have been like Manning retiring in 2009 or Brady in 2011

Exactly, Brady and Manning proved that pocket passers are not exempt from season ending injuries. Aikman proved that being a pocket passer doesn't protect you from a career cut short with multiple head injuries.

All in all, RG3 has to make better use of his legs and understand the rules designated for protecting QBs outside the pocket. He needs to learn them and use them when he finds himself running designed sprints out the Pistol, or improvising on a broken play. Once he incorporates these tactics, he will better protect himself and give aid to a long lasting career. The Ngata leg whip was indeed a freak injury....but RG3 got a little greedy and decided to turn back toward center field instead of getting the first down and running out of bounds. Or, slide sooner.....again, being aware of your surroundings and using the rules to protect your body.

[Risen Star]

What's the mystery with Aikman? He had head and back issues.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

What's the mystery with Aikman? He had head and back issues.

Pocket passer behind one of the best o-lines ever assembled.

Only played 11 seasons. Probably should have played another 4-5 at least

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Pocket passer behind one of the best o-lines ever assembled.

Only played 11 seasons. Probably should have played another 4-5 at least

That can happen to anyone. A 1st year player can develop head and/or back issues. I'm not getting the point here.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

That can happen to anyone. A 1st year player can develop head and/or back issues. I'm not getting the point here.

You are on the right track

A pocket passer behind a great o-line had his career shortened.

Just because the guy runs doesn't mean his career is going to be more or less compared to the "protype" pocket passer

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...ury_prone.html

The Running Men
Are mobile quarterbacks like Colin Kaepernick more injury-prone than pocket passers?

This year’s Super Bowl matchup shows you don’t need a particular type of quarterback to win in the NFL. The Ravens’ Joe Flacco has 38 rushing yards this season. The 49ers’ Colin Kaepernick ran for 56 yards on a single touchdown gallop against the Packers a few weeks ago. But in the long term, when you’re building a franchise, which kind of signal-caller is the better bet?
Conventional wisdom says a runner is more likely to get hurt than a stay-in-the-pocket statue. Just ask Joe Flacco, who told the assembled press on Wednesday that “quarterbacks like [Kaepernick] are eventually going to have to become mostly pocket passers to survive in this league.”

[View Full Quote]This belief is shared by NFL personnel gurus. During the 2011 season, then-Colts vice chairman Bill Polian was deciding whether to draft pocket passer Andrew Luck or the mobile Robert Griffin III as Peyton Manning’s successor. Polian was ultimately fired before he got to make that call, but he let Sports Illustrated’s Peter King in on his thinking regardless. "I'd probably pick Luck,” Polian said. “When you boil it all down, you worry about running quarterbacks getting hurt."

Link for rest

And because I love graphs

[Sonny#9]

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

1) You are correct about the half a brain comment so you need to look at some of these posts.

2) Your lack of education with reference to this line does not matter, no worries, Emmitt probably does not know what that means either, you are in good company!

I am plenty educated enough to know "situatedness" isn't a word. Plus, I write and edit for a living.

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

3) Griffin apparently has injured the same knee in the past and currently has a significant knee injury yet again. RG3's specific style of play lends itself for him to take such hits and as others have noted, he is not a big and sturdy guy. Further, RG3 was defiant after taking a stupid blow to his head earlier this season, not looking good.

Another tired argument. He's the same size as Romo, Rodgers, Matt Ryan (albeit a little shorter), but weighs the same... He's bigger than Brees and Wilson. He measured almost 6'3" and 220+ at the combine. What's next, are you going to compare him to Mike Vick again?

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

4) Griffin is a good passer, but much of that is predicated on the threat of the QB run. How will this change if he primarily becomes a pocket passer under pressure.

No -- it's predicated on a strong arm, a quick release, smart passing decisions, accuracy and a fantastic play action. And being under pressure he is even better. He was so good against the blitz, Rex Ryan had to totally revamp his scheme. You know why Morris was able to run for 200? Because Ryan wasn't going to let Griffin beat him again.

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

5) Wilson and Colin will probably run into some of the same issues eventually but they apparently make better decisions with reference to defenders, Wilson is also a rookie, go figure.

Wilson was throwing lead blocks! How many blocks did Griffin throw?

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

You are on the right track

I'm not on any track and I'm not interested in any spin job. I'm telling you Aikman had head and back issues that really have nothing to do with the quality of his protection. That can happen to anyone. You might not even make the NFL because of it. Regardless of how good your OL was.

Being a pocket passer would most certainly put him less in harm's way. But it doesn't guarantee him a lengthy career. All it takes is one shot to develop head issues. You can be born with that chronic back issue. I'm not getting any semblance of a relevant point here.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

But it doesn't guarantee him a lengthy career. All it takes is one shot to develop head issues.

And today's lesson is done