Cowboys name TE's coach and assistant OL coach....

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I would be shocked if Callahan isn't using the already established terminology of the Coryell system that Romo and the rest of the players have been using since 2006. It would be pretty phenomenally stupid to make 24-28 players on offense learn new terminology rather than just have Callahan learn to playcall in it.

This makes NO sense! What happens when teams fire coaches and bring in new blood. Do they call the plays that they are use to?

Our defense has been in the 3-4 for the same amount of time and they are changing.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by Aven8

Let's hope that is what the plan is, Cally calling "his" plays, not Garrett's.

It make sense to bring on somebody familiar with his scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if the new running back coach isn't a disciple of him in some way as well. But who really knows.

If it were me I would want Cally to call his plays that he knows, etc. Garrett stands to lose a lot if Cally calls JG's plays and next year we are top 5 in scoring, and offense.

I'm on record saying it's a mistake. Bill Callahan is not, in any way, a superior offensive mind to Garrett. Shifting the offense to Callahan doesn't address the issues on offense. It only makes it worse, IMO.

[newnationcb]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

I'm on record saying it's a mistake. Bill Callahan is not, in any way, a superior offensive mind to Garrett. Shifting the offense to Callahan doesn't address the issues on offense. It only makes it worse, IMO.

Why would you make such a bold statement?

What do you have to back that up?


Btw, I'm shocked by this move. Been searching all night for a connection to Gruden

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I would be shocked if Callahan isn't using the already established terminology of the Coryell system that Romo and the rest of the players have been using since 2006. It would be pretty phenomenally stupid to make 24-28 players on offense learn new terminology rather than just have Callahan learn to playcall in it.

Callahan has already said that he is quite familiar with the Coryell number system and is comfortable with it because Brian Schottenheimer used it when he was with the Jets.

I think some people are confusing the idea that Callahan calling plays means that he will switch this offense to his WCO from his Raiders days.

Not only does it not make any sense at all, but Callahan's offense from the Raiders is actually Jon Gruden's playbook.

If we were going to go to a WCO why not just hire Jon Gruden and be done with it already?

The other argument I have is why would you want to completely change the entire offense at this point in Romo's career?

The Ravens won the SB with the Coryell so it really isn't a system/scheme issue isn't it?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I would be shocked if Callahan isn't using the already established terminology of the Coryell system that Romo and the rest of the players have been using since 2006. It would be pretty phenomenally stupid to make 24-28 players on offense learn new terminology rather than just have Callahan learn to playcall in it.

the defense will have to learn entirely different scheme. Maybe it will be good that everything is being revamped on offense and defense.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Aven8

This makes NO sense! What happens when teams fire coaches and bring in new blood. Do they call the plays that they are use to?

It makes perfect sense. The Cowboys don't believe the system is the problem, which makes sense given that the Ravens just won the Superbowl with it. They believe they need to take things off Garrett's plate and let him be a "walk around" executive head coach, like 90% of other coaches in the league are.

What makes no sense is to completely ditch your offensive system you've spent 6 years in and go through a transition year a new offensive coordinator who is playing head coach who is playing for his job next year when you have a 33 year old QB, and then go through the same exact process next year when the offensive inevitably goes through growing pains and then put the team through another transition year. This is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

Callahan has already said that he is quite familiar with the Coryell number system and is comfortable with it because Brian Schottenheimer used it when he was with the Jets.

I think some people are confusing the idea that Callahan calling plays means that he will switch this offense to his WCO from his Raiders days.

Not only does it not make any sense at all, but Callahan's offense from the Raiders is actually Jon Gruden's playbook.

If we were going to go to a WCO why not just hire Jon Gruden and be done with it already?

The other argument I have is why would you want to completely change the entire offense at this point in Romo's career?

The Ravens won the SB with the Coryell so it really isn't a system/scheme issue isn't it?

I'm of the belief that NFL offenses are largely homogenous, and 85% of the playbooks are the exact same plays called under the 3 different maor playcalling terminologies. The nuances between offenses come from the natural intuation/creativity of the man behind the steering wheel and (naturally) the talent level between the players. I just want Callahan to be comfortable enough with the terminology to adequately call his natural gut feel for the game.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by newnationcb

Why would you make such a bold statement?

What do you have to back that up?


Btw, I'm shocked by this move. Been searching all night for a connection to Gruden

It's my opinion. Callahan has never impressed me as anything other than an OL coach. I don't think he's going to have any answers for no offensive line talent. The issue isn't play calling. That's a fan crutch.

[ethiostar]

Originally Posted by jobberone

http://www.nfl.com/player/frankpollack/2502502/profile



Frank Pollack

Height: 6-5 Weight: 285 Age: 45

Born: 11/5/1967 Camp Springs , MD

College: Northern Arizona

Experience: 8 Seasons

What's his 40 time?

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by Aven8

This makes NO sense! What happens when teams fire coaches and bring in new blood. Do they call the plays that they are use to?

Our defense has been in the 3-4 for the same amount of time and they are changing.

I'm with you. Systems are changed all the time and players deal with it. These guys are professionals and have all day all spring and summer to learn the new terminology.

And in almost every case, if the previous system were so successful, the team wouldn't be making a change to begin with. This is hardly a Barry Switzer 1994 scenario where you don't want to change a juggernaut. Our O has been the picture of mediocrity the last few years anyway.

Personally, I think it would be good to put in a new system and give everyone a fresh look at things. Change can be a positive, especially if things have gone stale.

Though actually, I'm sure it will be Callahan who has to adapt. But that doesn't mean it's the best way to do things.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

It's my opinion. Callahan has never impressed me as anything other than an OL coach. I don't think he's going to have any answers for no offensive line talent. The issue isn't play calling. That's a fan crutch.

Callahans' is the same system Garrett was running, that won't work without some upgrades along the Oline Jerruh.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I'm of the belief that NFL offenses are largely homogenous, and 85% of the playbooks are the exact same plays called under the 3 different maor playcalling terminologies.

All offenses are designed around the basic passing concepts and route combinations. In other words your going to run some sort of flood combination routes to beat zone coverage or a smash combination to beat man. What you said is right on the money - kudos.

The nuances between offenses come from the natural intuation/creativity of the man behind the steering wheel and (naturally) the talent level between the players.

And that is what separates Martz's version from Turner's to Zampese's playbook.

I just want Callahan to be comfortable enough with the terminology to adequately call his natural gut feel for the game.

I think Callahan is going to be fine with a full year of observation/game planning under his belt. Based on what Garrett said at the beginning of 2012 when Callahan was hired with the OC title things just might be right on schedule with the "process".

[Aven8]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

I'm with you. Systems are changed all the time and players deal with it. These guys are professionals and have all day all spring and summer to learn the new terminology.

And in almost every case, if the previous system were so successful, the team wouldn't be making a change to begin with. This is hardly a Barry Switzer 1994 scenario where you don't want to change a juggernaut. Our O has been the picture of mediocrity the last few years anyway.

Personally, I think it would be good to put in a new system and give everyone a fresh look at things. Change can be a positive, especially if things have gone stale.

Though actually, I'm sure it will be Callahan who has to adapt. But that doesn't mean it's the best way to do things.

The whole call "JG's plays" is nuts. It would be the same thing as Zimmer calling BP's 3-4. Dumb.

Romo needs a new challenge IMO, and this offense could explode for all we know. I'm bored with this offense. It's time for a new twist.

I'm sure Philly will be blowing the doors off by week 4 with Chip Kelly's "complicated new offense". How long was Reid there again?

[speedkilz88]

I would much prefer our WRs (who already have problems knowing where to line up) are comfortable with the terminology than a playcaller who has a playsheet under his nose.

[Doomsay]

Thank goodness we've been heading in the right direction and only had to tweak the coaching staff a smidge to continue down that path.