QB ranking by tier including Romo - Page 11 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Gameover · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by ak47kaehu

thats about right!

i could be wrong, but i think romo is better than stafford and what rg3 will become.

Shiloht88 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by JIMMYBUFFETT

Quit reading at Rodgers #1. Joke!

Then you don't know much about football or the position of qb.

Shiloht88 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Gameover

i could be wrong, but i think romo is better than stafford and what rg3 will become.

The the three rookies can't be put ahead of Romo yet and neither can Kaperinick. They could push ahead of him soon if they all duplicate this season and improve. I don't think much if Stafford ever so I'd have Romo ahead of him too.

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

Some may call Romo a loser QB but I've never called him one or I would be amongst those who want him gone. No QB that's a "loser" is going to remain a starting QB for 7 straight years. The "losers" were the QB's that Cowboys had after Aikman and before Romo. I spent 3 days and over 5 pages pointing out all Romo's positives to those who have given up on him. Some are so down on him they're willing to go with Orton and tank until the Cowboys find a better alternative. Not once did you or the other FAN who always cries foul everytime I speak openly and honestly about Romo show up in that discussion to back my position because it didn't fit with either of your agendas.

[View Full Quote]You say Romo runs like he's having to run for his life every play but several of the QB's who made the playoffs ran a lot this past season because they had to use their legs to make some plays. You don"t think Wilson, Kaepernick, RG3 and even Andrew Luck did some running? Did they always have a clean pocket? If a QB has to have a clean pocket all day and everyone around them has to play perfect for them to perform at a high level they'll never win a championship. If Joe Montana couldn't handle adversity and perform in the face of pressure he would have never found Dwight Clark in the back of the endzone in the 81 title game and wouldn't have a 4-0 SB record.

Romo is the most heavily scrutinized QB in the league because of his reputation for folding in elimination games which has put a big monkey on his back. He's been hearing the criticism ever since the bobbled snap in Seattle 7 years ago and its affected his play when it gets down to make or break. He starts to press which results in poor decisions.

Once he makes a mistake it starts to snowball this is why he has multiple turnovers in 4 of his 6 elimination game losses. Favre had some of the same issues as Romo especially later in his career. It got to the point where you expected Favre to make the big mistake at the worst possible time because he kept doing it. The only championship Favre won he didn't turn the ball over and was aided by Bledsoe's 4 int's. Against Denver the following year in the SB Favre had 2 turnovers which contributed to GB's loss. In Favre's back to back NFC title game losses to the Cowboys in 94 and 95 he had a combined 3 turnovers.

When Favre turned the ball over in championship games he didn't win. No one is saying that everyone of Romo's 11 turnovers in his 6 elimination game losses were all on him but some FANS go out of their way to make excuses for every one of them. I'm not one of those who's given up on Romo because physically I know he's capable of getting it done it's whether he can overcome his demons.

LOL, will you knock it off with the "elimination" game crap, there's no such thing. If you're going to believe in mythical, simple-minded concepts like "big games", "clutch", and "choke", them at least use the 4 playoff games that Romo has played in. You sound like an extra from First Take.

TheSport78 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

LOL, will you knock it off with the "elimination" game crap, there's no such thing. If you're going to believe in mythical, simple-minded concepts like "big games", "clutch", and "choke", them at least use the 4 playoff games that Romo has played in. You sound like an extra from First Take.

So just throw those games out?

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

So just throw those games out?

If you can provide a reference of any other quarterback in the history of the NFL's "elimination" record being cited, keep it in. Otherwise, throw it out.

TheSport78 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

If you can provide a reference of any other quarterback in the history of the NFL's "elimination" record being cited, keep it in. Otherwise, throw it out.

So being able to succeed under pressure and when the stakes are high are factors that should be disregarded and/or not counted?

DFWJC · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by KJJ

Romo is plenty good he proves that in a number of games throughout the regular season every year but he has issues performing at the same level in elimination games this is not an opinion it's a fact. You call the pick in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter just a football play but that's not how most saw it. If some like you choose to always make excuses for why he never plays to his capabilities in these make or break games then that's your choice.

No one is pinning that loss entirely on Romo I'm certainly not but he didn't play well in that game and that's the truth whether some like you want to admit it or not. .

I said Romo didn't play well for most of that game, so no need to put words in my mouth.

This "elimination game" thing (espcially non-playoff) seems to have been created for Romo. The sample size is so tiny for him, it blows me aways that people give it cred.

Washington is the main game that I can recall where he and the team had their chances but did not play well and blew it.
Last year vs the Giants, things got out of hand early but Romo (football hand and all) actually played a decent game.The game was out of reach at the end when he got crushed and fumbled, but his QB rating was about 100 and he threw or a couple fo scores.
He played great in both end of season big games (and wins) vs Philly in 2009.
I think the the total blow out at Philly and the one at Minnesota where games that we had no chance in.
The Ginats loss in 2007 hurt, but the Giants D was great. And Romo did, imo, throw a perfect pass to Crayton for the win. If you want to say it's making an excuse, go ahead. But he cannot run that route for him.
What's odd to me is that wins at Cincy and vs Pittsburgh this year get no credit even though the Washington game means nothing without those wins. It's like there's this non-playoff game category created especially for Romo.

Back to the Washington game:
If you think on that last drive, like some doofusses do around here, that Romo is actually thinking on that last drive "oh no, it's a big game, so i better not screw up" there is no chance you ever played in a big game yourself. I'm assuming that you know better. Leading up to a big game, maybe players get more excited or nervous or whatever, but once the full force of the game is upon them, it is just like the New Orleans game or the Pittsburgh game. They have split seconds to react, they have no time to be worrying about how big the game is at that exact moment. That's why I said, if he looked so calm and effective the whole 4th quarter, and the play right before that one, why would someone think all of a sudden he tightened up on that one play?
He (and the Oline) just screwed up on that play.
And again, yes, he played an overall bad game the first 3 quarters.

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

So being able to succeed under pressure and when the stakes are high are factors that should be disregarded and/or not counted?

Unless its the playoffs no. With three weeks left in the season, the Giants controlled their NFC East destiny. Result: 34-0 loss. Even after that loss, Giants still controlled their destiny for the Wild Card. Result: 33-14 loss. Now is anyone running around quoting Eli Manning's "elimination" game record? Heck, I've never seen anyone give him credit for the "elimination" WIN he got last year. No one has said Eli is 9-3 in elimination games. He's 8-3 in the playoffs. Those are the games that matter, not regular season games that all have 1/16th value.

Again find me a reference of anyone's elimination record. Not just active. NFL history. Surely you can find one. No, you can't... because its a media made nonsense stat created to antagonize Romo, who should be getting credit that at least his team is in position to PLAY these games despite having a crappy team. Instead of playing in a meaningless Week 17 laugher like Eli.

TheSport78 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

Unless its the playoffs no. With three weeks left in the season, the Giants controlled their NFC East destiny. Result: 34-0 loss. Even after that loss, Giants still controlled their destiny for the Wild Card. Result: 33-14 loss. Now is anyone running around quoting Eli Manning's "elimination" game record? Heck, I've never seen anyone give him credit for the "elimination" WIN he got last year. No one has said Eli is 9-3 in elimination games. He's 8-3 in the playoffs. Those are the games that matter, not regular season games that all have 1/16th value.

Again find me a reference of anyone's elimination record. Not just active. NFL history. Surely you can find one. No, you can't... because its a media made nonsense stat created to antagonize Romo, who should be getting credit that at least his team is in position to PLAY these games despite having a crappy team. Instead of playing in a meaningless Week 17 laugher like Eli.

Don't compare Romo to Eli. That's all. Your argument is weak.

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

Don't compare Romo to Eli. That's all. Your argument is weak.

Romo is far better than Eli. And I would say your argument is weak, but you came back with nothing as I predicted. So I guess it's just nonexistent. You're dismissed.

TheSport78 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

Romo is far better than Eli. And I would say your argument is weak, but you came back with nothing as I predicted. So I guess it's just nonexistent. You're dismissed.

You keep making yourself look sillier and sillier.

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

You keep making yourself look sillier and sillier.

At least I am contributing something. I'm still waiting for you to explain the elimination game thing for me. You started with a decent point, but you gave up and you're just dropping one liners. If you just want to get the last word in just say so.

TheSport78 · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

At least I am contributing something. I'm still waiting for you to explain the elimination game thing for me. You started with a decent point, but you gave up and you're just dropping one liners. If you just want to get the last word in just say so.

I already did, but it's obvious you can't fix stupid.

Super_Kazuya · 02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by TheSport78

I already did, but it's obvious you can't fix stupid.

Why are you describing yourself as stupid? I realize you have no ammunition left in this debate, but don't become discouraged. I think highly of your empty one liners.