Chat: George: Cowboys scouting department more on ‘same page’ in draft room

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by Coy

I agree, but that´s the competitive nature in pro bowl players, the "they´ll have to drag me out of this field" kind of statements, that´s where Garrett or Ryan come in, they should have pulled him after seeing he wasn´t good enough to play that day.

The responsibility lies with the coaching staff who are supposed to make judgements based on something other than emotion.

Great Players like Ware will always try and do more then they actually can. THAT is where GOOD coaches should step it

[Supercowboy1986]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I completely agree but Ware has a better name than Butler. That is how it works here right now. Ware knowing he was hurt bad should have stepped up and said "Hey, put Butler in, I'm in too much pain and can't produce like I need to". That would be doing the right thing for the team.

they had a really good debate about this topic (not ware specifcally but about injured players suiting up for games) on Pardon the Interruption. It would of have been a huge backlash if people saw Ware sitting on the sidelanes in the final games of the season when we had a chance to win the NFCE. As injured he was I think it was Wilbon who said he has to suit up regardless because of what management, coaches, and his teammates would see him as being soft and not a teamplayer. He used Jay Cutler back in 09 as an example and Urlacher as another for this year. I completely agree however about if he was plagued with injuries, I feel he should of told the coaching staff to sit him because it doesn't matter how good or elite you are you simply cannot get it done with 1 arm and I still feel he was doing more harm then good.

and I know what some of you may be thinking player "X" had "Y" injury and was still effective! That may be true but that is more the exception then the rule, not to mention Ware had 3 major injuries.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Coy

I agree, but that´s the competitive nature in pro bowl players, the "they´ll have to drag me out of this field" kind of statements, that´s where Garrett or Ryan come in, they should have pulled him after seeing he wasn´t good enough to play that day.

I agree with that but a truly smart player will also know when to take himself off the field. Its the fault of both the player and the coaches.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I agree with that but a truly smart player will also know when to take himself off the field. Its the fault of both the player and the coaches.

More the fault of the coaches since they are supposed to be older and more knowledgeable about the situation. And they are the FINAL authority

[BHendri5]

Originally Posted by Bowdown27

Parcells did not draft THAT well here. He wanted spears over ware and Jerry had to choose ware At 11. Drafts under wade were decent but everyone thought we were so close we didn't pay attention to detail. We need a great draft this year.

I like this response. You understand that we are not as talented as the media would lead you to believe

[junk]

Originally Posted by Alexander

But the underlying completely misunderstood. It is too easy to blame Jerry Jones for making a bad choice. But he hardly is making the decisions based on his own personal opinion.

Jerry Jones is not a talent evaluator and never has been. That is the real problem.

He is not a true GM who hits the road during the months of Feb.-April.

He is not attending most Pro Days, individual workouts and the like.

He sits in the stands in Indianapolis and shows his face in Mobile, but he is not intensely studying the draft classes as much as he is at the mercy of what he is being fed.

He may be the "tie breaker" and make the final call, but his lack of involvement in the overall process like most general managers is the bigger issue in the equation.

Absolutely.

And the people critical of Parcells.....you should be livid about Phillips and Garrett if you think Parcells did a poor job

Let me know when one of them drafts and develops a HOF quality player. Keep in mind the develop part. Would Ware or Witten have been as good as they were without the tutelage of a HOF coach?

[Ratmatt]

Originally Posted by BHendri5

Why do they blame Garrett and Jerry for the bad drafts by Wade and Parcells?
Garrett is cleaning up the mess that those two left.
Our top 53 is not as talented at the media leads people to believe.

Romo, Smith,Witten, Dez,Miles,Murray, Ware, Lee, Carter,Claiborne,Carr,Church,Spencer,Rat,Church, Harris, Hanna,, That's the talent we have on the team, that I name.

So please all you people that like to blame Garrett and Jerry help me with the other talented people on the team, starters and non starters.

Do you really give Wade most of the blame for the drafts during his stay here?

[Ratmatt]

The problem is when your giving up picks,to move up in the draft,to draft players at positions that you failed at in previous drafts,well it takes it's toll.
1.Those draft picks your giving up help add talent and depth to your team.
2.When you draft a guy at a position,and he doesn't quite live up to where you took him,or he's a bust.You find yourself 3-4 yrs.later,having to redraft at that position,when you could be filling other needs.
3.When you have a whole draft where you get nothing,(2009 draft),that can set you back quite a bit.
Now take a guy like Anthony Spencer.He had his best season as a pro this past year.Now if Anthony Spencer leaves,because you can't afford him,or if you keep him,and he doesn't transition well to the 4-3 defense.Then you basically got 1 real good year,from a #1 draft pick,in which you had to give up extra picks,to move up and get him.
I know this is all old stuff,and no one wants to relive it.I just feel that has been their draft,and depth problems.
Jerry needs to listen to his scouts.Stay where he's at in the draft,and take the best player available.If they do that,they will be fine.

[DOUBLE WING]

Did someone in this thread seriously say Garrett is CLEANING UP THE MESS PARCELLS LEFT?

Really?

Really?!

I've officially seen it all in CZ.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Did someone in this thread seriously say Garrett is CLEANING UP THE MESS PARCELLS LEFT?

Really?

Really?!

I've officially seen it all in CZ.

bhendri and a couple of others have this fantasy that wade was actually good for us

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

More the fault of the coaches since they are supposed to be older and more knowledgeable about the situation. And they are the FINAL authority

Burmy, I'm extremely disappointed in you. Aren't you a historian of the game? You know darn well players consider themselves warriors out there and especially leaders, who are going to PROVE to their teamates, coaches fans, etc... how tough they are. This has been the status quo since the start of football. If a team leader like Ware tells the coach he can play, hes gonna play, unless the player has a greater chance to further injure himself.